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Leidsin ühe huvitava lingi balti endiste sõdurite saatusest "vabas Läänes".
Ja asi hakkas mind huvitama.
Mida te sellest asjast teate?
Palju neid oli (sõjavange ja interneerituid) ja missugustes riikides?
Missugune oli nende edasine saatus arvudes (kas anti üle ja kellele? palju hukkus ja kus ning kuhu maetud? jne.)?

Siin see link on, kus on ka kaunis koledaid pilte sellest paljuräägitud ja meile kuulsast üleandmisprotsessist nn. neutraalses Rootsis. Teadupärast olla nende üleantavate hulgas ka mõned eestlased olnud.


Aga see balti interneeritute venelastele üleandmine on ikka paljudel rootslastel vist kangesti südamel küll, sest mõni kuu tagasi tuli sellest juttu (eravestluses sundimatus õhkkonnas, õllekanuu juures) ühe rootsi pensionieelikust sõjaväelasega. Mina viskasin selle killu nagu, noh, muuseas, kuid tema võttis asja ikka väga kibestunult ning vaata, et järgmine tund aega pidin kuulama monoloogi (sest ma ise nagu ei saanudki miskit vahele öelda) sellel teemal. Ja põrmugi mitte mingit õigustust või midagi sarnast. Ikka lähtuvana kõvasti närivast ausast süütundest (kuigi, noh, see mees selles sündmuses nüüd küll mingit süüd omada ei saanud!!). Ma ise küll sellist vastureakstsiooni oma lihtsalt jutujätkuks lausutud tõsielufaktile oodata ei osanud. :shock:

Postitusi lugedes kasuta kôigepealt oma aju (NB!! peaaju) HOMO SAPIENS !!! (e. foorumlane)

Stellung halten und sterben!!

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Üks koht Rootsis, kus hoiti ka Baltikumist pärit võitlejaid, oli Backamo Lägerplats Göteborgist Oslosse viiva maantee lähedal. Renoveerituna siiani kasutuses majutusasutusena. Ühe baraki ees on mälestustahvel seal hoitud ja N. Liidule väljaantud sõjaväelastele. Rootslased tõesti häbenevad oma tookordse valitsuse otsust inimesed hukatusse saata.
http://www.northseatrail.org/show_singl ... 63&lang=uk
http://www.nexusboard.net/showthread.ph ... did=296450
Kahjuks on minu saksa keel liiga nõrk korralikuks tõlkeks :oops: , kuid keegi paremini saksat valdav võiks vähemalt osa sellest tekstist ära tõlkida.

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The Sündenfall Sweden
7th May 1945. In Reims unterzeichnetGeneraloberst Alfred Jodl, chief of the Wehrmacht managerial staff, the certificate for the unconditional surrender of the German Reich.

About 2000 kilometres northeast runs the same hours a squad of German soldiers by the night of the beach along Hel peninsula, in the Gulf of Gdansk rises.

The soldiers are on Hela versprengte tank grenadiers. Everyone seems to escape them locked-in the back by the Red Army, left the Baltic Sea, the waters of the right shine Ingersoll Spit. Now the Germans threatens Russian captivity. But the soldiers want to escape from the Russians - at any price.

The Germans run. Their Knobelbecher clatter on the cobblestones of the small fishing town of Hel Ostzipfel on the peninsula. There, on the quay, the rescue: an old fishing boat. As of the morning of the 9th May on the Baltic dawns, believe the Germans aboard the final car to safety. The war is, their boat floating on the high seas.

But the trip across the sea for the majority of men on board in the fate to which they wanted to escape: They are ultimately still in Soviet hands. She and thousands of other German soldiers are victims of deception and hate, victims of a unique case of political Liebedienerei. The journey of the German soldiers ended on the Swedish island of Öland. In the port waiting for the Swedish army to the Germans. They were disarmed and on the mainland done.

The men of Hela followed in the next few days, thousands of soldiers of the German Army Group Kurland and Vistula. They all were with the ship and boat fled before the Soviets - often at the last minute, even on the horizon when the silhouettes of T 34 appeared. Many of the refugees survived the voyage. Because Soviet aircraft made hunting of boats and cutters, they threw bombs, cannon shot with board - long after the surrender documents were signed.

The Germans ran with the schwerbeschädigten ships Sweden - the neutral country seemed only a stopover on the way into the home. Because Sweden - as expected-they would comply with the Geneva Convention, and the Germans after the war's conclusion in their own country back. But hardly ever is a hope cruel been disappointed. There was the Sturmgeschützbrigade 190, in the Vistula transitions and in the defence of Gdansk while sacrificing fought more than 140 Soviet tanks had shot down. On 6 March, the brigade the tausendsten Panzerabschuß reported.
On 7 May the men jump out of Hela available to all floating bases to discuss the Baltic Sea, on the southern coast of Sweden along, Flensburg reach.

On the river Schute> Emma <120 were men, darunterder Lieutenant Erich Mildenberger Berger, staff of the brigade.

For the upcoming bad weather cut the tug because machines damage the ropes. Schute> Emma <drives in the lake. Our own small engine failed. Fortunately sees a Swedish torpedo boat distress and drags the Schute in the small Swedish port Ystad, where others already Kleinstschiffe and boats with German soldiers, who fled across the Baltic Sea.
Still hope the men, with a repair is German U-boat hunter to expire again, but on 11. May tells them the Swedish port commander, that they are interned.
The men are Swedish army units and reflected in the stock troops brought Backamo: interned.

For Erich Mildenberger Berger and his comrades who believe that the Soviet captivity to escape, this is the first stop on a path of suffering, in the Soviet Union and Soviet prison camp leads and should last until 1950.

There was the whole army of the 16th Weapons School Army, whose ferries on the way to Flensburg by Soviet airmen were attacked, so that the damaged vehicles the Swedish coast had planned.

There were also members of the 121st, 122nd And the 126th Infantry Division, which had gefochten Kurland and under the command of Lieutenant Stiegert with the tug> Ziebens <across the Baltic Sea to Germany wanted. Russian reconnaissance plane, they discovered. Hetzten Soviet speedboats them on the neck, but dared not attack because of the tug of stormy seas half leckgeschlagen, now in Swedish territorial waters gedriftet was Swedish and seaplanes the coastguard was shaded.

That was their luck, for the landing boat was> Culbis <by Russian speedboats zusammengeschossen. 60 deaths. 30 men, almost all wounded, reached in an adventurous journey Gotland.
The 150 men of the> Ziebens <were of a Swedish guard and transferred to the island of Gotland. There, they were first in the camp Lingen interned - a total of 500 German soldiers, 57 members of the Latvian Legion, as part of the Waffen SS had fought Estonian and eight supporters Flak-boys.

Walter Schielke, in the history of the 121st East Prussia Infantry Division a very interesting report on the Swedish internment and what was then given, which is a real-time document of the history.

The report reflected the fate of many individual refugees resulting from Kurland, from the island of Hela, Pomerania and East Prussia from the flight over the Baltic Sea dared, and landed in Swedish internment. Above all, the fate of the Balts, under all circumstances, the Soviet captivity wanted to escape because they knew them by the Soviets as a Soviet claims were nothing more than death imminent.

And even this story is part of the documentation of the Swedish odyssey of German soldiers. The then lieutenant Willy gap Rath of the 126th Infantry Division reported:
"On 8 May 1945, signed the capitulation. I was in Kurland. There should be only 48 hours later the guns silent. I had the rank of Oberleutnants and stood as Verwundeter with other wounded on the airfield LibauSüd.

Our biggest surprise appeared in the 8th May 1945 German aircraft of all types in astonishing numbers They came from Norway. All in Norway German machines were stationed on this British company with fuel oskrbljeno Libau and after that was sent with the order, as many German soldiers, primarily the wounded from the boiler to pick Kurland, the pilot told us.

From Libau-South had made a wide view to the west in the direction of Gotland in Sweden. We saw the German machine just above the surface of the Baltic Sea and the Russian ScummVM Sperrfeuergürtel break. The Ju 52, in which I share with other comrades, consistently heavy wounded, einstieg was severely overloaded, the tires damaged by grenade fragments. Against 23.30 hours, we reached Copenhagen. The fuel was almost consumed, especially as it comes from a broken, probably conected versprühte and oozed leadership. A miracle that the machine is not caught fire. While we all had about the remittance slip to Heimatlazarett Kiel in the button hole, but the pilot was forced to land the next goal to promote - it was the airfield from Malmo in Sweden.

In Malmö we were immediately taken by members of the Swedish Red Cross received in Sankas loaded. We were driven Bückeberg in an old manor accommodated. By and by filling up the estate because of Pillau, Gdansk and Windau came from German soldiers, some on tiny vessels fled.

Stock of what has become a leader with 127 officers, NCOs and teams occupied farm was the Swedish captain Nielsen, a friendly man who repeatedly assured us that stay in Sweden will soon end for us. After completion of some formalities will our departure to Kiel nothing stand in the way. "

Of particular importance for the future development and delivery to the Russians is Lückeraths statement that he in the Swedish internment camps, a large number of soldiers and officers arrived, some by mysterious circumstances on the lake or air in Swedish internment challenged, but not fighting on the eastern front. He identifies, for example, two officers from Norderney and a staff officer from Rommels Stab

Initially performed for the many battles broken German soldiers of the dream of living in a neutral country. The Swedes had for the approximately 3000 internees five camps set up: Lingen (Gotland), Backamo, Ranneslätt, Grunnebo and Rinkaby.

The organization will belong to the camp of the Swedish army, whose officers and crews to the internees against rittcrlich and companionate behaved.
The summer of 1945 was unusually good in Sweden. The German soldiers built roads and rodeten forest. They appealed to sports fields and helped the Swedish farmers in the field. They played foot and handball. They organized boxing and chess tournaments. Organized theater evenings and founded Dance Orchestra.

In the documents of the Scientific Commission of the federal government for prisoners of war story reads: "As a Swedish official and unofficial side of the often witnessed was the morale of the German internees extraordinarily high, the discipline and the organization completes perfect. Not least, the general and an excellent work will particularly appreciated. "

The internees were better food than in the years to the front in the east. They received the same allocation of cigarettes as the soldiers of the Swedish army. The officers and crews were on time every ten days paid service pay: twelve teams crowns; NCOs 16, and warrant Leutnante 20 crowns, Oberleutnante 24 crowns, etc. Just in time every Saturday, the body laundering changed, including two towels, handkerchiefs and socks. As the internees Board received the Swedish army board. Weekly Zählappell once was. The military guard was very human, warehousing zaun consisted of a simple wire fence with smooth, similar to the coupling of a pasture. With the Swedish population, there were very pretty good contact soon. With the outside world, they stood by the press and broadcasting in touch. There were Swedish, German and Swiss newspapers, each company received a radio apparatus. Even thought the Swedish government scrupulously to international agreements on the treatment of military personnel interned. So it was the Germans easily on the order of conditions in the defeated Germany to wait. Soon, they believed, they would return to the homeland.

But the idyll has floated the disaster that eventually more than 2500 German soldiers took with them.

In Stockholm was in the summer of 1945 an all-party government - except the Communists - in office. At the top was the Social Democrat Per Albin Hansson.

On 2 June 1945 over the Soviet envoy Tschrenyschew, representing the ambassador Mrs. Kollontai, the Swedish Foreign Minister Günther a note. They asked the Russians, the Swedes, those interned in Sweden and Baltic German soldiers of the German Wehrmacht extradite to Moscow at the time of the capitulation on the eastern front had fought and after the capitulation fled to Sweden.

The text of the note was not very urgent. It contained no warnings or even threats.
The Swedish Foreign Ministry asked the Prime Minister Per Albin Hansson two answers on the note prepared. One, in the desire of the Russians was resolved. A second, in which the request was rejected.

Prime Minister Per Albin Hansson read the note by the Russians and the draft answers. He asked no reflection. He also sat down with the Western allies in touch. He chose between breakfast and lunch for the extradition of the Germans.

And also on the willingness, the internationally controversial demand of the Russians to meet, said the Swedish Government is ready to extradite those soldiers who already before the capitulation in Sweden had sought refuge and are therefore in the whole way hesonderer under international legal right of asylum status. This not only contradicted all international conventions on prisoners of war, but also the current international and asylum law. On 11 June 1945 advised the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Swedish Reichstag 87jährigen under the chairmanship of King Gustaf V, as a tennis player was known about the desire of the Russians. The day was hot, the meeting lasted a long time, the issue of extradition of the Germans stood at the end of the agenda.

The Science Commission reports on this crucial moment: "How notes, memoirs and later Reichstag, the participants talk shows, it was totally interested. It was thought that it was a delivery to a interalliierte Commission. "The foreign committee agreed to, four days later, the Council of Ministers.

On 16 In June 1945 the Swedish government sealed the fate of the prisoners with a note to Moscow: yes to extradition, the unrestricted delivery of all German and Baltic soldiers.
Why this breach of the law? Why in God's name?

The report of the Scientific Commission of the federal government for prisoners of war history:
"Very soon became frighteningly clear that the extradition decision by the government in flagrant contradiction to the loud proclaimed principles of humanity and impartiality standing, not to mention the fact that these norms of international law to be derogated. The 31 July 1945 angetretene purely Socialist government (of Sweden), which claimed that the extradition only on a decision of its detached coalition government to fulfil attaches was trying, with the Soviet Union, a trade agreement. The very public ventilated rumor that the government would have reason to extradition detention to Russia in any way favorable to vote, should have much for themselves. Two factors are noteworthy because: first, that Sweden auslieferte more soldiers than Russia for cheap considered, and secondly that Russia does not in any way over to the takeover of the soldiers was interested. "
At this time sat in the Swedish internment camps Backamo, Ranneslätt, Grunnebo and Rinkaby 2998, among them 167 Balts, on the side of German soldiers in the east had fought. Of the original 500 Balts were many of assistance of the Swedish population fled. In the internment camp initially insisted no word of the project of Sweden. The Germans worked, played and waited for the transport in the country.

In early November 1945 made in the Russian Arctic port of Murmansk transport ship> Kuban <go. His goal: to Trelleborg port on the southern tip of the Swedish mainland. His orders:
Transport by the Germans preisgegebenen Sweden to Russia. The ship had no facilities to accommodate a larger number of people on board. The Russians wanted the Germans in the cargo spaces pferchen.

On 15 November 1945, the intentions of the Swedish government, the Germans extradite a relentless winner, commonly known. In the camps broke desperation. The soldiers were caught in the hunger strike. The fate of the Germans and also interned Balts assigned was also shifted the country in arousal and indignation.

One of the major newspapers of the kingdom wrote: "Sweden's glory and honor are at stake."
Representatives of the Swedish Church requested an audience with the Socialist foreign minister Undn. One of the priests later reported on the reaction of the Minister: "Excellence repeated his assertion that the Soviet Union is a constitutional state."

Three days later also tried the Chief of Staff of the Swedish defence to the Foreign Minister on a review of the disastrous decision to move. He reported: "And just stubbornly repeated his statement, the Soviet Union was a constitutional state."

The spokesman of the internees, Lieutenant General Angelo Mueller, wrote a letter to Sweden's King Gustav V. He made the monarch's attention, the Swedish government is in the process of international law to break: Although most of the soldiers actually fought on the eastern front. Most of them, however, had even before the capitulation of the command, is off to the west. They were also, as Müller, prisoners of the British and not the Soviet army.

The response of the Swedish government to pleas and protests:
Soldiers from the army made a dense ring around the camp. The soldiers of the King looked through the barbed wire to the prisoners, which still faces the horrors of the Great War and were now entgegensahen new horrors.

As occurred in an unprecedented operation. Officers and NCOs of two regiments of the Swedish army wrote a letter to the king: "Our loyalty to king and the government is immutable. But our conscience and our honor as soldiers territories us on the heftiest our sense of shame about to stress that we at the imminent extradition participate. "

The Swedish officers Lagerbewachungen tied to a sign of their solidarity with the Germans white handkerchiefs to their body belts. The captain Carlsson telegrafierte following to the King:
"Since I as a warehouse manager in internment camps Grunnebo on breaking a promise member, which is now before walking causes tragedies, I am no longer able, as a captain in the reserves of the Royal Bohuslän Regimentszuverbleiben-untertänigst and ask me to the immediate farewell grant. "
The farewell was approved.

Hundreds of similar telegrams and letters reached the king. He tried, the Cabinet for a re-examination of the decision to be carried out. In vain.

On the day when the soldiers protested, released Swedish men and women from the camps and gave the inmates as a sign of sympathy flowers.

The Swedish government, but began the units of the army by units of the state police there. They sat 27 November 1945 as the date of delivery.

But once the prisoners were given the postponement. The Russian ship> Kuban <had to be made. The report of the Scientific Commission puts it: "The Russian Manneattachü (in Stockholm) has been extremely trying, the appearance of a slave ship to avoid, and asked for Swedish participation in the establishment of the ship. Arrangements were made on the quay of Trelleborg bunks and mattresses paper ready. "

In the camp Backamo took a German officer on the morning of the 27th November stone in the hand, and brought out and had him on his leg niedersausen. The bones fragmented into many parts. The officer, during the war 16 awards for bravery awarded before the enemy had been hoped that it would be self-mutilation before delivery to the Soviets maintain.

Then came the news of the delay in departure. The prisoners believed that the Swedish government had thus the extradition decision completely repealed.

Lieutenant General Angelo Mueller reported from the camp Backamo: "Ungeheurer cheers broke out. The internees were high on the Swedish King and the Swedish people, that the chorale> Great God, we praise you <was sung. "

The hope lasted only three days.

Stock Backamo 30 November 1945, Friday. The internees are awakened at 5.00 pm. They appear to appeal to the campsite. An officer announced that at 12.00 pm, the first group of buses to the train station and then the ship will be transported to Russia, the second group around 18.50 pm. The soldiers go back into the barracks.

And then it happens.
Around 6.25 pm, a German soldier with an axe in his foot. Los frenzy erupts. A second German takes a knife and injects it into his own chest. An officer hanged. More than a hundred internees to slash the pulse veins.

Then Swedish police and soldiers. They hit with rubber to the injured. They drag the soldiers of the former German army on the campsite on the buses. "
Lieutenant Willy gap Rath hechtete over the fence of the camp and fled to Sweden's infirmary. The Swedish LazarettSergeant Granberg hid him in the store. However, the state police continued a two sniffer dogs, they made Lückeraths hiding, and the policemen took him by force from the attic.
In the camp Ranneslätt rises by 8.35 pm a red rocket in the sky - signal to attack policemen and soldiers. They fall into the camp to the Germans out.
The internees racing from the barracks and cling to each other, man to man, 200 Germans, close to dense. They make their belt, and Koppel and their laces together - a Karree of despair and hopelessness.

As they stand. Surrounded by blue-black uniformed, behelmten policemen with sticks. Policemen and internees are rigid. Then lift the police their sticks.

The German camp elders met at the same moment a dagger in the chest. Other prisoners razor blades move through their flesh. They swallow sharp metal objects. The police zerprügelt the resistance. The Germans are on the train and driven to the Trelleborg> Kuban <.
The 30th November 1945 was as "bloody Friday" in the Swedish history.

In the camp Rinkaby with his 800 men, it was no different. A hunger strike had been the men to the brink of exhaustion. When the command to pick came, the panic broke out.
Six men are hanged; twelve pecked with axes in the feet, and more than a dozen opened the pulse veins.

The Swedish government provided about 2500 soldiers of the former German Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union, about 500 of the Englishman.

On 15 December, in the pre-Christmas, the internees were also in the hospital were Malmo, in a night and fog action on cars loaded and Trelleborg. Sun also seized the last of the 121st Infantry Division 1 the fate of extradition. Walter Schielke reported:

"In the morning we saw cars in the port area of Trelleborg. At a block close to the quay, the> solemn <surrender to the Russians. We came separately to an official of the Swedish Foreign Ministry, at the hands of the registration card of the International Red Cross name and photograph of the man compared. With a> Nu, dawai <, showed the Russian on the catwalk to the ship, where we have already received Russian posts attended. By charging schlotterten we hatches in the hull of the ship, where we are on the wood and wool blankets hergerichtete stock could fall. The 16th December and the 17th of the night December we were still in the harbor, where there is still an ongoing comrades from the other hospitals were zugeladen and in the morning of the 17th December 1945 (it was a Sunday) we left the port of Trelleborg, and thus Swedish territory. This was the farewell of Sweden, followed by seafaring in an unknown destiny. "

It lasted for Walter Schielke until spring 1949.

On 24 January 1946 was again a Russian ship in the port of Trelleborg. It should be the last of the soldiers in Hitler's Wehrmacht fought in the hands of the Swedes were advised that the Soviet victors transfer.

It was internees who, because of their self-mutilation or any other infirmity in Lazaretten and hospitals pregnency. In vain, they had hoped that the chalice of delivery to them would pass.
They too were removed. Sun takes the fate even after Erich Berger Mildenberger in Uddevalla hospital. He was with the> Bjalostrow <, a former Finnish passenger steamer verfrachtet. As Mildenhall Berger, 25 January 1946 brought on board, he said that it was only for a few months. The "few months" lasted four years!

Many Sweden observed in the afternoon of the 25th January 1946, Trelleborg as the German prisoners weary step the gangway to the Russians hinaufstiegen steamer. Many had to rely on comrades, and many were taken on stretchers.

A Latvian officer in the German Wehrmacht fought had walked on the gangway. Immediately before her, he stopped, looked at the ship with the Russian name. Policeman screamed:
"Next." Since the Latvian pulled a dagger and pushed it into his chest. He died at the gangway - in the neutral Kingdom of Sweden.

&raquo;Sweden drivers were called" the delivered internees in the camp jargon. And all drivers &laquo;&raquo; Sweden Libau were collected, the infamous camp Zuckerfabrikx &raquo;. Here waited by the first transport to the past.

In February 1946 began the registrations and the Finteilungen in the professional and working groups. And then they were all scattered winds of Russia. Eingereiht in the army of the poorest of the poor.

From Paul Carell "prisoners" / Ulstein 1980


HP also "neutral" countries were involved in crimes against Germans involved!

Meie võitluslipp sini-must-valge
aatekõrgusse näidaku teed!
Lehvi, lehvi sa hõõguma palged.
Süüta südames õilsuse leek.

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Siin lugu Rootsi valitsuse poolt väljaantud eestlasest:


Parem peenike peos, kui punalipp katusel!

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Kas see viimane link on osa mingist suuremast asjast?

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alex kirjutas:
Kas see viimane link on osa mingist suuremast asjast?

Koostatud kasutaja vaikal poolt.

Rohkem valikuid näed siit: http://www.hot.ee/vaikal/.
Lennuväepoiste teema lugemiseks vali "Klubi".

Summeri pirisemisel on metsavennal aega hüpata laskepessa ja oodata mis sünnib - kas tegemist on inimese, looma või linnuga, või hoopis UFO-ga kirsavoi saabastes, automaat kaelas. Viimasel juhul kohe tuli peale.

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