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Hi everybody!

I am new here in this forum. My name is Jürgen an I am living in Germany. Excuse me for writing in English, but unfortunately I'm not able to write in Estonian. I hope that I neverthless will receive a few answers to my questions.

Since 11 August 1944 the brother of my grandfather is missing in action. His name was Eduard and his last message came from Permisküla island. Eduard was a member of the "300. Infanteriedivision z.b.V " and he worked there as a radio operator.

I would like to know what exactly happened on 11 August 1944 at Permisküla island.
I think there were also some Estonian military units at permisküla island.
Does anybody have got some informations about this battle for me?

Thank you very much for any assistance!!

Best regards!
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Permisküla island - island in Narva River, 2,2 km long. In our days island is in border zone Estonia-Russia (belongs to Estonia) and there is no habitants. In 1944 11.of August russians bombed very heavily this place with much of canons and many of fighters II batallion of Estonian VI border guard regiement were killed in this attack. How many German soldiers were on island, I dont know. Only three soldiers could escape from island in this bloody day. In the 12.of Aug. russians occupied island. Cause the island of Permisküla was good bridgehead for invasion to Estonian side of river, Germans very quickly organized many of good instruments - "Nebelwerfer" and bombed with them island and Russian troops. After that Russians did'nt get next try to have this place. And island was "wüst und leer" as world before creation :twisted: Good toy was "nebelwerfer", Russians afraided that more then they afraided devil. Estonian soldiers called "nebelwerfer" with a nickname "cow", because this weapon made by shooting a bad noise "wooh-wooh", as a cow.
In May 2004 some miltars and miltary historians opened small memorial tablet on island for a memory of fallen Estonian and German soldiers.
If You like to have more information, pleas, write me a private message and send Your e-mail adress, then I can to send You some pictures and links.

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Hi Charlemagne!

Thank you for the information about the battle of Permisküla island.
As I wrote before Eduard was a radio operator. He was able to understand the Russian language very good and he staid on Permisküla island with a "Lausch-Trupp" to observe Russian radio messages.

Do you know when the German troops drove away the Russians from the island after 12 August 1944?

I will write you a private message with my email adress.

I am living in the north of Germany and here we say
"Tschüss" :wink:

Jürgen


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Kriegsgliederung der 18.Armee: Stand 15.07.1944
XXVIII.AK Ka.Gru.Hoefer, 21.ID, 12.LwfD, 30.ID
XXXVIII.AK 21.LwfD, 32.ID, 121.ID, 83.ID
207.Sich.Div., Div.z.b.V.300, Estn.Grenzschutz-Reg.5
Gr.Wegener (L.AK+VI.SS-AK (lett.)) 218.ID, T.126.ID, 93.ID, Ka.Gru.Streckenbach (19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.), 15.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.1.)), 69.ID, T.23.ID, Sperr-Btl.XXXVIII, Sperr-Btl.XXVIII
der Armee direkt unterstellt: Estn.Grenzschutz-Reg.4
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 18.Armee: Stand 15.08.1944
XXVIII.AK T.12.LwfD, T.21.LwfD, 21.ID, 30.ID
XXXVIII.AK T.21.LwfD, 121.ID, 83.ID, 122.ID, Ka.Gru.Jeckeln
Gr.Wegener (L.AK+X.AK) 32.ID, 263.ID, 227.ID, 389.ID, 24.ID, 329.ID, Ka.Gru.Strempel
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 218.ID, 126.ID, Ka.Gru.Streckenbach (19.Waffen-GD der SS (lett.Nr.2.), 15.Waffen-GD der SS (lett.Nr.1.))
II.AK 31.GD, T.61.ID, 87.ID, 389.ID, Ka.Gru.Mahn, Ka.Gru.von Below
der Armee direkt unterstellt:

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Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 13.10.1944
Gr.Kleffel 93.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.)
II.AK 227.ID, 563.VGD
XXXXIII.AK 218.ID, 23.ID, 390.Sich.Div., 207.Sich.Div., 83.ID, 12.LwfD
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 389.ID, 215.ID, 205.ID
L.AK 290.ID, 281.Sich.Div.
der Armee direkt unterstellt: Div.z.b.V.300, 24.ID, 263.ID, 132.ID, 31.VGD, 87.ID

What's happened? Why 300 div. z.b.v. replaced from 18 to 16 Armee? Heavy losses in "Raum Narwa"? And after Oct. 44 is 300 z.b.v. lost again. We meet division again in 01.Feb.45 in Kurlandkessel... :x

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 01.02.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 12.LwfD, 93.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.)
XXXXIII.AK 207.Sich.Div., Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), 21.LwfD, Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186)
XVI.AK 81.ID, 281.ID, Div.z.b.V.300
L.AK 24.ID, 122.ID
XXXVIII.PzK 215.ID, 205.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: 12.PzD
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 06.02.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 4.PzD, 93.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.)
XXXXIII.AK 201.Sich.Div., 207.Sich.Div., Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID)
XVI.AK 81.ID, 281.ID, Div.z.b.V.300, 12.LwfD, 21.LwfD
L.AK 24.ID, 122.ID, 389.ID
XXXVIII.PzK 215.ID, 205.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: 12.PzD
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 19.02.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.)
XXXXIII.AK 207.Sich.Div., Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest", 21.LwfD, Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300
L.AK 24.ID, 122.ID
XXXVIII.PzK 205.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: 12.PzD, 215.ID
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 01.03.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 24.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.)
XXXXIII.AK Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), Ka.Gru."Nord", Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186), Ka.Gru."Ost" (207.Sich.Div.)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt:
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 20.03.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 24.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.), 21.LwfD
XXXXIII.AK Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), Ka.Gru."Nord", Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186), Ka.Gru."Ost" (207.Sich.Div.)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt:
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 31.03.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 24.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.), 12.PzD, T.218.ID
Gr."Nordkurland" (Korück 583) Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), Ka.Gru."Nord", Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186), Ka.Gru."Ost" (207.Sich.Div.)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300, ID "Kurland", 21.LwfD
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: 205.ID
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 01.04.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 24.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.), 12.PzD, T.218.ID
Gr."Nordkurland" (Korück 583) Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), Ka.Gru."Nord", Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186), Ka.Gru."Ost" (207.Sich.Div.)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300, ID "Kurland", 21.LwfD (Stab)
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: 205.ID
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 12.04.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 24.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.), 12.PzD
Gr."Nordkurland" (Korück 583) Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), Ka.Gru."Nord", Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186), Ka.Gru."Ost" (207.Sich.Div.)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300, 205.ID, 218.ID, 21.LwfD
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: ID "Kurland"
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 15.04.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 24.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.), 12.PzD
Gr."Nordkurland" (Korück 583) Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), Ka.Gru."Nord", Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186), Ka.Gru."Ost" (207.Sich.Div.)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300, 205.ID, 218.ID, 21.LwfD
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: ID "Kurland"
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 30.04.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 24.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.), 12.PzD
Gr."Nordkurland" (Korück 583) Ka.Gru."Südwest", Ka.Gru."Windau", Ka.Gru."Nordwest" (Stab 218.ID), Ka.Gru."Nord", Ka.Gru."Küste" (FK 186), Ka.Gru."Ost" (207.Sich.Div.)
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300, 218.ID, 21.LwfD (Stab), ID "Kurland"
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt:
Nachtrag:

Kriegsgliederung der 16.Armee: Stand 08.05.1945
VI.SS-AK (lett.) 205.ID, 19.SS-GrD (lett.Nr.2.)
L.AK 24.ID, 218.ID
XVI.AK 81.ID, Div.z.b.V.300, 21.LwfD
XXXVIII.AK 122.ID, 329.ID, 290.ID
der Armee direkt unterstellt: ..... bis trauriges Ende :roll:

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I try to send You soon more information.My poor old head doesn't keep all the facts and dates inside. But the book about battles in this area is in other room somewhere and my family members are sleeping, they are not pleasured, when I turn the light on and will seek the book and make a noise as "ein Königstiger im Dirnehaus" :wink:

Now there is nothing to do more as go to sleep.Ruhe auf der Linie, Russen hören! :lol:
Müde bin ich, geh zur Ruh,
schließe beide Augen zu.
Vater, lass die Augen dein
über meinem Bette sein.

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Hi Arnold, hi Charlemagne!

Thank you for your helpful assistance!
At this evening I learned many new facts about those days in 1944...

Good night

Jürgen


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I found some interesting information, in the book:Sinimäed 1944 by Mart Laar.

page 322. Jaan Juuriksoo reminds: "...There was four german signal-intelligence[sideluure]( i dont know exact word for this, who knows better?) men on the island, who were eavesdropping russian forces radio communication, with their special gear. Before they went on the island, they came to visit me. They told me that during retreats this place was their seventh place, where they had to go to reconnaissance task. Worried men believed that this one remains their last one. And that was what happened."


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That is very interesting. Perhaps one of this German soldiers was my relative!
May I ask you if you could send me a scan of this page? Then I will try to find someone who could translate it for me directly from Estonian into German language.
Could you tell me who was Jaan Juuriksoo, please?

Thank you!

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His memories:

http://www.okupatsioon.ee/kaastood/jaan_juuriksoo.html

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Jaan Jurikson/Juuriksoo
Sündinud: 21. veebruar 1914 Tammiste
Surnud: 22. veebruar 1997
Abikaasa: Vaike Rinne
Abielu: 23. juuni 1943

http://www.aai.ee/~urmas/gen/06/f06618.html

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JUURIKSOO, Jaan, Andres s. 06.03.14 Pärnumaa Are v., eluk. sama, arr. 17.12.44, trib. 14.05.45 §58-1a, 58-11, 10+5; Krasnojarski krai Gorlag; Norilsk, vab. 26.05.54. [ük 6697]

His KGB-file:

ERAF.129SM.1.6697
JUURIKSOO Jaan Andres (1914)


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That is very interesting. Perhaps one of this German soldiers was my relative!
May I ask you if you could send me a scan of this page? Then I will try to find someone who could translate it for me directly from Estonian into German language.
Could you tell me who was Jaan Juuriksoo, please?


Unfortunately i have no chance to make a scan of this page right now.But may someone else could?
There was two possibility why Your relative could get on that island:1) He was one member of that signal-intelligence unit
2) He was member of radio-operators unit that belongs to the 2.batallion of 6. grenzschuts regiment for radio communication between estonian and german units.
I presume that there was less than 10 germans on that island.


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Hi there!

@ Estoloog
Thank you for this information!

@ naabri Ants
My relative Eduard was a member of the "Nachrichtenkompanie d (mot.) 701" (in English perhaps: message company?) and his rank was "Obergefreiter". He was able to speak the Russian language and he also worked there as an interpreter. I have got a letter from Eduard's company chief. He wrote that Eduard stayed at Permisküla island with a "Lausch-Trupp". I don't know the exactly word for it in English, but I think it means something like "signal-intelligence unit", too.
Do you know, how many men approximately stayed on the island from the "2. Batallion of 6. Grenzschutzregiment" ?

@ all
Does someone of you have the possibility to send me a scan from the book Sinimäed 1944 by Mart Laar, page 322?
I would be very pleased about it.

Jürgen


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Does someone of you have the possibility to send me a scan from the book Sinimäed 1944 by Mart Laar, page 322?

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