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Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 20:49
Postitas Lemet
Eks seal tuleks tõepoolest suuresti siseprobleemid ära lahendada. Segavad aga ilmselt korruptiivsed sidemed ja segamini identiteet. Pluss vanad luukered...

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 20:54
Postitas Tegelane5
mart2 kirjutas:
wk2 kirjutas:vene vangilangenud dessantnikud kes saabusid tagasi on kõik paigutatud haiglasse
http://podrobnosti.ua/video/society/201 ... 91479.html
Mulle hakab tunduma, et minu peegelpilt sarnaneb kahtlaselt Jüri Lina näoga ( :shock: ), kuid mis seal ikka salata ...
Minu 5 senti, et ilmselt viidi mehed psühhiaatrite juurde "Stockholmi sündroomi" kontrolliks ja teiseks, et peita ajakirjanike eest , kuni neile korralikult selgeks tehakse, mida ja kuidas rääkida. 8)
Pigem "dekabrist 2.0" teket kardetakse vast. Tüübid on ju:
-näinud ukraina "metslasi";
-näinud mis alatustega nad ise või separatistid hakkama on saanud;
-kellega koos võidelnud pmtslt oma vendade vastu;
-kuidas langenuid koheldakse, rääkimata omaksetest.

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 21:09
Postitas oleeg
Tegelane5 kirjutas:
mart2 kirjutas:
wk2 kirjutas:vene vangilangenud dessantnikud kes saabusid tagasi on kõik paigutatud haiglasse
http://podrobnosti.ua/video/society/201 ... 91479.html
Mulle hakab tunduma, et minu peegelpilt sarnaneb kahtlaselt Jüri Lina näoga ( :shock: ), kuid mis seal ikka salata ...
Minu 5 senti, et ilmselt viidi mehed psühhiaatrite juurde "Stockholmi sündroomi" kontrolliks ja teiseks, et peita ajakirjanike eest , kuni neile korralikult selgeks tehakse, mida ja kuidas rääkida. 8)
Pigem "dekabrist 2.0" teket kardetakse vast. Tüübid on ju:
-näinud ukraina "metslasi";
-näinud mis alatustega nad ise või separatistid hakkama on saanud;
-kellega koos võidelnud pmtslt oma vendade vastu;
-kuidas langenuid koheldakse, rääkimata omaksetest.
Venemaal on tõepoolest juba ajaloolised kogemused vastase käes vangis olnud meeste "käitlemisel". Seekord on aga isegi vangide osas muudatusi: hävitatakse neid lootuses selline käitumine vastase kraesse keerata+haiglasse paigutamine näiteks diagnoosiga "kubemetäid".
Mulle tundub, et VF pool lihtsalt ei olnud valmis meeste vangilangemiseks ja veelvähem oldi valmis nendega käituma pärast vangist vabanemist.

terv
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Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 21:20
Postitas NGolf
Obama kõne Tallinnas oli selge ja ajalooline märk maas, "siitmaalt ja mitte edasi"! Kõnekunsti tippsaavutus ja suurepärane tekst, küll rääkis laulupeost, küll tsiteeris Heinz Valku ja Underit! Tänud külas käimast!
Ari Ratner Vice Newsis ülevaade:https://news.vice.com/article/obamas-es ... tin-at-bay

Huvitav on ka Soome meedia kajastus, eriti kommentaarid ja nende all olevad hinded. Umbes selles stiilis, et:
Suomi on pelannut ulkopoliittiset korttinsa USA:n kanssa siten, että kun Usa neuvottelee Viron presidentin kanssa tärkeistä asioista, kelpaa Suomi lähinnä varastoalueeksi Obaman varakoneille. Kiitos presidentti Halonen, kiitos vasemmistolaiset.
http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/Obaman+vierai ... 9629478888

Lvovi lähedal algavad 13. septembril NATO osalusega õppused, Venemaa hakkas sellepeale perutama ja rääkis midagi provokatsioonist:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/m ... 89701.html
http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20140903/ee ... 5200.shtml

Rogozin väljendas pettumust, et Prantsusmaa tõrgub Mistrale "esialgu" üle andmast. Asekaitseminister Borissov ütles, et "pole väga hullu, saame ka ilma hakkama"
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/f ... 89725.html

Berdjanskis, Mariupolist järgmises rannikulinnas, on rahvas juba kaevikuid sonkimas:
https://twitter.com/Shikov90/status/507177115931131905

Ulaanbaatoris viibiv Putin esitas seitse punkti, mida järgides Ukrainasse saaks rahu. Sealhulgas, nagu ikka, igasuguse ATO lõpetamine ja humanitaarkoridoride lubamine, mida mööda Venemaalt tulnud "Üleesehitusbrigaadid" saaksid tulla Novorossijat üles ehitama:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/putins-siebe ... 33607.html
http://internacional.elpais.com/interna ... 14104.html

Brüssel pakub uusi mõjutusvahendeid Venemaa vastu, nt tema väljajätmist rahvusvahelistelt suurüritustelt nagu vormel 1 ja jalgpalli MM. Faktikastis juttu ka Ilvese palvest Eestisse püsivaid NATO baase tuua:
http://internacional.elpais.com/interna ... 38342.html

Väidetav plahvatus Donetski lähedal kaevandusšahtis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLVs_ilIUZs

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 21:39
Postitas wk2
jutt sellest, kuidas vabatahtlikke venemaalt saadakse ja mis nendest edasi saab
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65096.html

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 21:52
Postitas Lemet
Näikse, et inimese hind on määratud- surma korral 360 000 rubla Eurodes 7500 raha üleeilse kursi järgi. Lähitulevikus ilmselt veelgi nigelamalt.

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 21:54
Postitas MMX

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 22:28
Postitas kaur3
Kui Ukrainas oleks toimunud parlamendivalimised augusti lõpus, siis oleks tulemused sellised.

http://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=rus&cat=re ... 391&page=1

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 03 Sept, 2014 23:53
Postitas NGolf
Putini seitsemepunktiplaan sai Jastjenjuki poolt tagasi lükatud:
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-ru ... 64937.html

Donetsk jäi kuivale:
http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/221676.html

OSCE nädala kokkuvõte:
Throughout the week, the OTs noticed a net increase of young people (both men and women) wearing military-style dress crossing the border in both directions but did not observe any weapons among these groups. OTs had regular interactions with supporters of the self-proclaimed republics.

At both Border Crossing Points, some supporters of the self-proclaimed republics explained that they are not allowed to cross the border with weapons. However, on the other side, there are organized places where they receive weapons, ammunition and equipment and are dispatched to their assigned areas on the Ukrainian side. Upon return, they hand over weapons, ammunition and other military equipment and cross back into the Russian Federation. In the case of Gukovo, there is even a firing range to calibre the newly-received weapons before continuing to the frontlines. As described in previous reports, on a daily basis OTs hear such range-like shootings on Ukrainian territory at a short distance from the Gukovo Border Crossing Point.
Throughout the week, shootings, blasts and artillery detonations were heard at various times of the day and night, and from different distances and directions around the Donetsk Border Crossing Point. Artillery detonations were especially intense during the weekend in the direction north of Krasnodon. Throughout the night of 30 to 31 August, dozens of very loud artillery detonations were heard and felt by an OT. The detonations were close by in a westerly/ north-westerly direction.

In the past weeks, artillery detonations and shootings had been heard only from western and northern directions; but throughout the week for the first time OTs reported light and heavy calibre shootings from the east and south-east areas which are also bordering Ukraine.

Throughout the week, OTs observed a net increase in activity of young people dressed in military style crossing back and forth at the Border Crossing Point. OTs also observed some of these people visibly wounded crossing back into the Russian Federation with white bandages and/or crutches. OTs also observed transfers of more seriously-wounded persons by ambulances.
http://www.osce.org/om/123151

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 04 Sept, 2014 1:04
Postitas kaugeltuuriv
Mistral ikka jääb vist hetkel sinna Prantsuse dokki,kui nüüd Britid tahaks seda kiirreageerimisdiviisi ka meritsi korraliku transpordiga varustada,siis võiks need laevad Nato kaudu sinna jõuda.Aga see puhtalt minu spekulatsioon.

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 04 Sept, 2014 4:42
Postitas Svejk
Ilovaiski järelkajad
Dnep-1 ja Donbassi jaoks pidi Ilovaiskist saama vennashaud:

Береза: Для "Днепра-1" и "Донбасса" Иловайск должен был стать братской могилой
http://www.unian.net/politics/958929-be ... giloy.html

"Во время так называемых переговоров о выходе украинских частей из Иловайска российские военные и боевики даже не вели речи об отступлении добровольческих батальонов. Российские офицеры и представители сепаратистов вели речь только о выходе регулярных частей ВСУ. Для батальонов «Днепр-1» и «Донбасс» Иловайск должен был стать братской могилой"

Nn. "läbirääkimiste" käigus ei laskunud vatnikud isegi teemat tõstatada vabatahtlike pataljonide väljapääsemiseks.
Huiloreguiliode ohvitserid ja vattide esindajad arutasid vaid ukraina regulaarüksuste lahkumist. Vabatahtlikud pidid kõik oma otsa leidma.

Vidio kah, mis tunne on soomustatud kaubikuga kuulirahes kihutada, kui kuulikindel tuuleklaas pihta saab ja pole enam kuulikindel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxwovZE1Hww#t=11

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 04 Sept, 2014 4:48
Postitas Kairi
Panen kiirelt ka lingid Austraalia uudistele. Kõige olulisem uudis on see, et Austraalia peatas uraani müügi Venemaale, sellelt lingilt peaks minema kõikvõimalikud lingid tuumaarsenalile, ma kahjuks ei oska vajalikke linke siit ise otsida, sest ma ei tea tuumapommidest midagi http://www.independentaustralia.net/env ... ussia,6730


Jutt käib kõikvõimalikust abist nendel linkidel
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... 0c28y.html

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 7046516779

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... 0bwj7.html

Kes ei viitsi lugeda, ma toon välja kõige olulisema, sest oz-idel on komme igas artiklis rääkida uuesti lennukist, NATO öeldud 1000 Vene sõdurist ja vanadest sanktsioonidest. Kahest artiklist kokku võtsin olulisema
The Abbott government is set to send military trainers and advisers to help Ukraine counter Russia's recent aggression against its neighbour, effectively involving Australia in one of the world's most fraught international crises.

This is understood to take the form of Australian Defence Force personnel who will train and advise the Ukrainian military - a clear signal that Mr Abbott is pushing to position Australia firmly as an active "middle power" in international affairs.

More immediately, Australia will provide "non-lethal military assistance" to Ukraine, such as military winter clothing, blankets and first-aid kits. It will also establish an embassy in the capital, Kiev.

Australian government sources said the military training and advice would aim to build up the Ukrainian military as an institution and could include logistics training, legal training - indicating issues such as rules-of-engagement for troops in conflict - and English-language training. But this leaves open the possibility of further, more substantial training. It is understood that will begin in coming months.

Mr Abbott said Australia would no longer sell uranium to Russia until further notice.

“Australia has no intention of selling uranium to a country which is so obviously in breach of international law as Russia currently is.”
Niisama artikkel, kuna oli arutelu, kus on Janukovits- täitsa olemas, 3 biljoni dollari lugu
http://www.news.com.au/world/ukraine-pl ... 7047051646

Ja siis ühe artikli pean tervenisti siia kopeerima, sest te ei pääse sellele ligi. Mul ei ole praegu kahjuks aega tõlkida. See asub muidu siin, aga see on tasuline http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 7046987400 Kahjuks on jällegi ühes ja samas artiklis nii Ukraina kui islam, aga kui ma sealt ise midagi maha võtan, siis läheb mõte kaduma. See on nüüd ka kõige viimane ehk minu kella aja järgi kell 12.00 lõunal ilmunud, teil on kell 5.00 hommikul, 4 september.
Australia to send military aid to Kiev as Russia deal looms

AUSTRALIA is being drawn deeper militarily into the crises in the Middle East and on the Russian border after a “general request” for assistance from Iraq and an agreement to provide military materials and advice to the besieged Ukrainian forces.

Tony Abbott, supported by Bill Shorten, is arguing that Australia cannot remain apart from the tensions and atrocities emerging internationally because Aus­tralians have been “murdered” by Russian-backed rebels in the shooting down of Flight MH17 and 60 Australians are fighting with Islamic State terrorists.

FRENEMIES: Foes become awkward bedfellows against Islamic State- see on link kaardile https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/theaustra ... 7.99/18.98

The announcement by the Prime Minister in parliament came shortly before Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko’s office announced that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin had reached a “mutual understanding” in a telephone conversation about a permanent ceasefire in eastern Ukraine.

The Russian ITAR-TASS news agency quoted Mr Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, as saying the two leaders had agreed “to a large extent” on the steps that could be taken by the Ukraine and militias that might contribute to an early ceasefire.

Moscow says Russia cannot agree to a ceasefire because it is not a party to the Ukraine conflict and Mr Putin, who is facing a push to ban him from the G20 leaders summit in Brisbane in November, recently insisted it was Ukraine’s internal affair and “none of our business”.

Australia will adopt an “enhanced” role with NATO in Wales tomorrow and has agreed to further UN and US pleas for help to defend Iraqi civilians against “the pure evil” of the Islamic State fighters, who have murdered another American journalist. The Prime Minister said yesterday: “Along with our allies and partners, Australia will do what it can to respond to this developing situation.”

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said Australians leaving to fight in Iraq and Syria represented “a serious, heightened and growing sec­urity risk here in Australia because of these foreign fighters, radicalised, extreme terrorists who come back to Australia”.

“We fear that there could be an attempt to undertake terrorist ­activities here,” Ms Bishop said before leaving for the NATO meeting.

“We’ve seen it before with those who trained with the Taliban and al-Qa’ida in Afghanistan and we have at least five times the number of Australian citizens involved with ISIS than were involved in Afghanistan pre the NATO-led intervention.”

Bill Shorten said Islamic State fighters were barbaric and “the intervention of humanitarian support by conscientious nations is simply to arrest the spread of this sort of ignorance, hatred and violence and I deplore it with all my heart”.

Mr Abbott revealed that after providing humanitarian food drops in northern Iraq for people trapped on Mount Sinjar and in the besieged town of Amerli, as well as delivering arms via Baghdad to be used by Kurdish fighters, there was now a “general request” for assistance.

“We are in the process of airlifting equipment, including military equipment, at the request of the Americans and with the support of the Iraqi government to the Kurdish forces in Erbil. We have received no specific request to engage in actual military action against ISIL,’’ he told parliament.

“Nevertheless, we have received a general request and we are considering what we may be able to make available. But I stress: no specific request has been received and no specific decision has been made.”

Mr Abbott also announced the government had agreed to assist the Ukrainian government, under pressure from Russian-backed rebels, with humanitarian aid, believed to be about $1 million, “non-lethal” military aid, such as winter clothing and equipment, and later, logistic and legal help for the Ukraine armed forces.

The government is to establish an Australian embassy in Kiev and start “aid for trade” programs to assist the Ukrainian economy.

The support for the Ukraine has been announced just before Ms Bishop and Defence Minister David Johnston attend a NATO summit in Wales to discuss Russia’s threat to Ukraine and its support for pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine. Ms Bishop announced the “enhanced” status of Australia at NATO, the most powerful military bloc in the world, while condemning further outrages committed by Islamic State fighters in Iraq and Syria.

In response to another beheading of an American journalist, Mr Abbott said: “The extraordinary thing about this movement is that it does not simply do evil; it boasts of evil, it is proud of evil and it advertises its evil in a way almost never before seen at any time in the modern world”. It’s understood the “general request” for military aid came during talks between Ms Bishop and US Secretary of State John Kerry.

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 04 Sept, 2014 7:57
Postitas Siga
Lemet kirjutas:Eks seal tuleks tõepoolest suuresti siseprobleemid ära lahendada. Segavad aga ilmselt korruptiivsed sidemed ja segamini identiteet. Pluss vanad luukered...
Kohane oleks selles kontekstis meenutada ka meie enese tulipunast lillekest kodanik Simmi. Selles valguses on Sementshenko & co jutt täiesti usutav, usutav on ka, et Ukraina sõjaline struktuur ongi paras rotipesa, iseasi, kas suudetakse süsteem kasvõi mingil määral puhtamaks rookida.
Sisevaenlased, nagu on selgunud, ei ole mitte üksnes DNR/LNR käputäis kohalikke pätte, vaid olulises osas hoopis kameeleonikarva staabivanad.

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 04 Sept, 2014 9:38
Postitas Otto K
Ukraina üritab oma ametnikeridasid puhastada. Presidendi administratsioonist saab kinga / vahetatakse välja ca 400 ametniku.
http://inforesist.org/iz-administracii- ... -chelovek/

On üks (mitteametlik) leht kus on info Ukrainas hukkunud ja kadunuks jäänud vene sõjaväelaste info.
http://www.lostivan.ru/

Mykolaiv`ist varastati Ukraina suurim ujuvkraana... no ikka juhtub ...
http://www.unian.net/curiosities/958360 ... hariy.html

Zaporizhia surnukuurid on Ilovaiski katlas hukkunuid täis. Uudis iseenesest meile teada ja halb aga sellest avalikult rääkimine on minu arust hea. Viitab ikkagi avatud ühiskonnale.
http://www.unian.net/society/958950-mor ... ualno.html

OT
Venemaal plaanib maksustada oma kodanike Euroopas (ja mujal maailmas) puhkamise. Puhaku parem Kamtshatkal ja Siberis...
http://economics.unian.net/finance/9589 ... nitsu.html

Re: Mis Ukrainas toimub? vol.3

Postitatud: 04 Sept, 2014 10:29
Postitas tympsa
Hulka aega pole ühtki rindekaarti olnud.

Kuna 100 % täpseid kaarte pole võtta, siis võiks vaadata seda, mida Kot Ivanov jälle on joonistanud, - mis ilmselt sepameelne, kuid üht teist sealt ikka näeb.

Pilt



Suur ala ala Mariupoli ümber on tähistatud roosatriibulise "tingliku" sepa kontrolliga, ilmselt pole see siis mingi suur prioriteet, mida rünnata, võib-olla ka hoopis eikellegimaa.
Tundub, et praegu soovivad sepapoisid suruda UKR eemale just Luganski ja Donetski juurest, et suurtes linnades rahulikum oleks.

Kel huvi ka suurendusega seda uurida ja vanu kaarte vaadata, siis kõutsi link on siin

http://kot-ivanov.livejournal.com/