Hiina ja India suhted

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Tux kirjutas:
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Hukatus kirjutas:Rõõm näha, et tänapäeva moodsad armeed veel ka kiviaegsetest nuiaga sõjapidamisviisidest lugu peavad.
Ma saan aru, et enne rünnakut oli India sõjaväelastel keelatud esimesena relva kasutada?

Niisugused lollid korraldused lõppevad alati mingi suurema hädaga :(
Ma arvan, et kumbki pool üritab iga hinna eest tuumasõda vältida. Indial on käimas ka lennuväe ringi relvastamine, tankiüksustega on probleemme jne. Valel ajal sõja alustamine tähendaks kaotust aga kui need inimesed oleksid tulevahetuse käigus surma saanud, siis oleks võib-olla eskaleerumine olnud kiirem ja suur sõda ka juba käes. Pakistan kasutaks seda ka kohe hetkeliselt ära ja see on ju kolmas tuumariik seal, kes igatseb hindude verd.
Tundub olevat midagi sarnast 1969. aasta NSVL-Hiina piirikonfliktiga, kui venelased hiinlasi pikkade kasest harkidega üle piiri tagasi lükata üritasid, selle asemel et pikema jututa tuli peale tõmmata. Ka siis ei tahtnud kaks tuumariiki asja liiga teravaks ajada.
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Veidi jälle omavahel kaklust
Indian troops clash with Chinese soldiers along contested border in the Himalayas
https://twitter.com/business/status/1300359182479241217
India and China relations have entered a critical new phase following fresh conflict along their disputed Himalayan border, after multiple rounds of high-level military talks failed to end the months-long standoff.

The defense ministry in New Delhi said on Monday its soldiers were able to stop a push by Chinese troops to claim more ground late Saturday in violation of existing agreements.

Beijing denied its troops had strayed into Indian territory and said it was in close communication with New Delhi, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said at a daily briefing in Beijing on Monday. “Chinese border troops always strictly abide by the Line of Actual Control,” Zhao said.

The Indian army undermined the consensus reached in previous multi-level talks between the two sides and once again illegally crossed the line on the south bank of Pangong Tso, Senior Colonel Zhang Shuili, spokesman for the Western Theater Command of the People’s Liberation Army, said in a statement late Monday evening.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... yan-border
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Pangong Tso mägijärve kallastel langes üks India tiibetlastest koosneva mägikommandode eriüksuse võitleja ja teine sai haavata miiniplahvatuses.
Nyima was part of the Special Frontier Force (SFF), his family and three Indian government officials said.

The force recruits mostly from Tibetan refugees, hundreds of thousands of whom have made India their home since the Dalai Lama fled Tibet following a failed uprising in 1959. Some are Indian citizens.

Few details are publicly known about the covert force set up soon after a war between India and China in 1962. Two officials estimated its strength at more than 3,500 men.

Amitabh Mathur, a former Indian government adviser on Tibetan affairs, said the SFF were “crack troops, especially in the context of mountain climbing and high-altitude warfare.

“If at all they (SFF) were deployed, I am not surprised. It makes sense to deploy them at high altitudes. They are terrific mountain climbers and commandos.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKBN25T2JN
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USA luure arvab, et Hiina provokatsioonid Indiaga on muutunud natuke juhitamatuks ja ei suuda enam selle tõttu tõmmata Hiina armeed neist välja, ilma et näitaks oma nõrkust.
U.S. intelligence officials now believe that [Chinese President Xi Jinping] may have created a "cycle of provocations" and doesn't know how to extract the Chinese army without appearing to show weakness.
https://twitter.com/walterladwig/status ... 9885549569
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-repor ... s-believes
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https://piter.tv/event/Kitajskij_istreb ... 5d40b802e2
Väidetavalt on ameerika õhutõrjeraketiga alla lastud hiinlaste hävitaja Taiwani kohal

https://piter.tv/event/Indijskoe_voenno ... v_Ladakhe/
Hindud pidid oma sõjalist kohalolekut Ladhakis ka suurendama.
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Hiinlased valmistuvad keskaegseks sõjaks
Photos purportedly of Chinese soldiers near the Line of Actual Control in Tibet with what look's like guandao pole weapons, similar to the Medieval glaive or halberd, to be used for skirmishes with Indian troops.
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https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1303389964336599041
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ERR olukorrast piiril ja konflikti taustast: https://www.err.ee/1222297/hiina-ja-ind ... -lahendust
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Kui Venemaa haaras Krimmi, siis räägiti, et Krimm on põline Vene ala. Ka Tartut, peetakse ida pool põliseks Vene alaks, kuna Jaroslav Tark asustas Jurjevi.
Kui see Krimmi annekteerimine käis, siis räägiti, et Kashastan, kui Kuldhordi otsene järglane võiks Vanemaalt tagasi küsida omad põlised alad ...
Mingi 4500 aastat peavad hiinlased oma valitsejaid Taeva Poegadeks, kelle valitsuse alla kuulub kõik, mis asub Taeva all.
Mongolite Yuani dünastia on hiinlaste käsitluse järgi Hiina riik, keda valitsesid ainult mongolid. Yuani dünastiale allusid juriidiliselt kõik mongolite riigid. Koldhord, Tšagatai riik, Il - khanaate. Peale Yuani dünastiat tulnud Mingi dünastia jaoks oli isegi Timur (noh see lonkur) vasalliks, sest tema esivanemad olid ju Yuani dünastia vasallideks. Seega põhimõtteliselt Terve Venemaa (Koos Tartu linnaga), suur osa Aasiast, põhimõtteliselt Hiina põlised alad.
Babur, kes vallutas India ja rajas Mogulite riigi, oli ka Yuani dünastia vasallide järglane, seega Hiina riigi vasall ja seega ka India on Hiina põline ala :D
Me oleme ju siin, et isamaad kaitsta. Aga prantslased on ju ka siin, et oma isamaad kaitsta. Kellel siis õigus on?
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Hiina ehitanud ja ehitamas ning uuendamas oma läänepiirile lennuvälju sõjaväe jaoks.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ern-border
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India liigutas vähemalt 50 000 meest Hiina piiri äärde.
India has redirected at least 50,000 additional troops to its border with China in a historic shift toward an offensive military posture against the world’s second-biggest economy.

Although the two countries battled in the Himalayas in 1962, India’s strategic focus has primarily been Pakistan since the British left the subcontinent, with the long-time rivals fighting three wars over the disputed region of Kashmir. Yet since the deadliest India-China fighting in decades last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s administration has sought to ease tensions with Islamabad and concentrate primarily on countering Beijing.

Over the past few months, India has moved troops and fighter jet squadrons to three distinct areas along its border with China, according to four people familiar with the matter. All in all, India now has roughly 200,000 troops focused on the border, two of them said, which is an increase of more than 40% from last year.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/0 ... oric-move/
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Hiina ja India sõdurite vaheline kakelung toimunud jälle

Several Indian Army soldiers were injured in a clash with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army in Arunachal Pradesh on December 9, multiple sources tell The Hindu.
A defence official with knowledge of the matter said that the injuries on the “Chinese side were much higher than on the Indian side.”
Ani citing sources: This face-off led to minor injuries to a few personnel from both sides. Both sides immediately disengaged from the area.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1602301497391435776
On 9th Dec 2022, PLA troops contacted the LAC in Tawang Sector of Arunachal Pradesh which was contested by Indian troops in a firm and resolute manner. This face-off led to minor injuries to a few personnel from both sides. Both sides immediately disengaged from the area: Sources
https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1602300612074688514
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ruger kirjutas: 09 Sept, 2020 21:25 Hiinlased valmistuvad keskaegseks sõjaks
Keskaegsed kaikalahingud juba käivad.

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India liigutab läänest 10 000 sõjaväelast Hiina piirile piiri valvama
India frees 10,000 more soldiers to guard border with #China

A 10,000-strong unit of soldiers previously assigned to the country’s western border has now been set aside to guard a stretch of its frontier with China, said senior Indian officials who didn’t want to be named because discussions are private.

In addition, an existing contingent of 9,000 soldiers, already designated to the disputed Chinese border, will be brought under the newly created fighting command.

The combined force will guard a 532 km (330.57 miles) stretch of border that separates China’s Tibet region with India’s northern states of Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh.

The Indian Army and Ministry of Defense declined to comment.

The unprecedented assignment of troops — backed by their own dedicated artillery and air support — to this stretch of the border highlights both the region’s strategic importance and its growing sensitivity in the eyes of India’s leaders.

The area, nestled in the Himalayas, is home to some of Hinduism’s holiest shrines. It has seen huge infrastructure investment and development in the last decade as Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government has encouraged tourism to the area.

In 2021, India repositioned an additional 50,000 soldiers to patrol its border with China, after a deadly border clash the year before left at least 20 Indian soldiersdead, seriously straining ties.

China and India have since upgraded military-related infrastructure and moved missiles and aircraft to either side of their border, in addition to positioning more troops.

“The possibility that we may face a similar situation that we faced in 2020 is keeping us active all the time,” said India’s Defense Secretary Giridhar Aramane, at a business event last month, referring to the border clash between the nuclear armed neighbors.

Ties between India and China sunk in the aftermath of that confrontation and haven’t substantially improved since then. As many as 21 rounds of talks military-diplomatic have made incremental progress. India has since passed laws to discourage Chinese investments and enterprise in India.
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