Eesti muinassõdalased

[Trips]

Ümera lahingu film !?

https://kultuur.postimees.ee/8111669/ga ... e-sojafilm


Peaasi, et sellest ei saaks mingi Vikingite või Sparatcuse taoline käkk

[Cyberbear]

Ümera lahingu film !?

https://kultuur.postimees.ee/8111669/ga ... e-sojafilm


Peaasi, et sellest ei saaks mingi Vikingite või Sparatcuse taoline käkk

Ja paluks adekvaatset muinassõdalse kujutamist, mitte mingisugust karunaha selga tõmmanud puulõhkumiskirve ja pajakaanega vehkivate meeste klounaadi.

[VMO]

Ja paluks adekvaatset muinassõdalse kujutamist, mitte mingisugust karunaha selga tõmmanud puulõhkumiskirve ja pajakaanega vehkivate meeste klounaadi.

Aga lootust on, et läheb nagu ikka - see ilmselt on vanem Vello, kes on endale vist kohviubade kotist tehtud loodusesse sulanduva hõlsti selga saanud.

[lennumudelist]

ERR refereerib kah, et film teoksil:

https://kultuur.err.ee/1609485670/pildi ... umera-joel

Oleks päris tore, kui filmitegijad hea süžee punumise lisaks rohkelt ajaloolaste jutul käiksid, et toonasest elust võimalikult hea pilt luua.

[Kriku]

Arheoloogidel.

[Trips]

Arheoloogidel.

Vaevalt arheoloogid suudavad mingite tätoveeringute kasutamist muinaseestlase juures kinnitada. Aga üldiselt arvan, et tuleb mingi popp ja noortepärane seiklusfilm.

[Kriku]

Ajaloolased veel vähem, sest peale Läti Henriku neil ju kedagi võtta ei ole. Arheoloogias on vähemalt põhimõtteliselt võimalik, et mingi tätoveeritud rabalaip ilmub välja.

[Chupacabra]

Sarvedega kiivrid

[Sander17]

Päewaleht avaldas 06.07.1935 Mihkel Aitsami artikli "Esbröt- eestlaste muinaskants Rootsimaal". Mõned huvitavamad lõigud sealt:

"Siit edasi liikusid eestlased oma laewadel üles Mälari järwe wetepiirkonnas kuni saarele, mille nimeks on praegu Esbröt. Saarel asetses rootslaste walwepost kantsi näol. Kui ilmus silmapiirile eestlaste laewastik, süüdati tuled mõlemal pool kantsi. Kaks lõõmawat tuld pidid hoiatama rootslasi wõõraste pealetungi wastu. Aastal, mille arvu pole seni kindlaks tehtud, ilmus kantsi alla hiiglalaewastik, ja algas selle piiramine ja wötmine. Hulljulged eestlased ronisid üles mööda kaljuseid seinu, lõid maha, kes teele taplusele tulid ja wallutasid saare ning kantsi. Siia loodi tugew eelpost ja toetuspunkt. Eestlased otsisid seda, mida neile ei suutnud anda lahetagune kodumaa. See oli wäärtmetall. Eelmised sõjakäigud olid andnud eestlastele kätte suure loodusrikkuse hõbedalademed. Seda hoiti suures saladuses, nii et kohalikud elanikud kaua aastaid ei teadnud selle olemasolust.
Hõbeda kaewamine oli raske ja kauawältaw töö, mida ei sooritatud lühemate sõjaretkete puhul. Oli waja luua püsiwat toetuspunkti ja selleks osutusidki eelnimetatud saar ja kants. Kaua aastaid kuulus saar eestlastele. Sees oli tugew malew, kes suutis tagasi lüüa arwukad waenlaste katsed. See wõitmata kindlus saadi wiimaks kätte kawalusega ja löödi eestlased maha wiimseni.

Kui saabusid uued eestlaste laewad kalli waranduse järele, leiti eest aherwarred ja waenlaste salgad, kes kippusid kallale. Eestlased wandusid maksta kätte langenud wendade were eest. Sõideti tagasi kodumaale, korjati kokku uued malewkonnad ja wõeti ette sõjakäik rootslaste pealinna Sigtuna wastu.

Esbröt'i saar kuulub Rootsi kuninga waldkonda ja sinna pääsmine wajab erilisi lubasid, mis keeruline saada wälismaalastel. Esbröt tähendab rootsi keeles umbes "Eesti murd", ja kannab seda nime weel tänapäewani. Sala-hõbedakaewandusest on jäänud nimi praegusaja linnakesele. Need on jäljed wanadest eestlaste sõjakäikudest."

Kas täielik Aitsami fantaasia või on mingit tõepõhja ka? Ta ise väitis, et saanud need andmed arhiividest..

[drawulf]

Jaa, näikse et mingi tõepõhi on all. Sellel Estbröte Wiki lehel on eestlasi mainitud.

Siin on ka AI koostatud väike uurimus. Loomulikult võta seda skepsisega, ning tutvu allikatega ise.

Estbröte Island: Early History and the “Estonian” Legacy

Location and Early Significance

Estbröte (historically Ästbrötet) is a small rocky island (about 300×200 m, rising ~45 m above Lake Mälaren) situated in the narrow strait just southwest of Stockholm, between Ekerö island and the mainland. Despite its modest size, Estbröte held strategic importance. On its summit are the remains of a prehistoric hillfort (fornborg) approximately 230 × 170 m in size, with stone ramparts on the western side and several terraced house foundations. This indicates the island was fortified and likely used as a lookout or refuge in the late Iron Age or Viking era. Indeed, the surrounding Vårbyfjärden strait was a critical waterway – archaeological finds on nearby shores (including a 10th-century hoard of Arabian coins and jewelry) show it was an active trade route, and beacon fires were once lit on the heights to warn of hostile ships entering Mälaren. In other words, the local inhabitants were vigilant long before the 13th century, expecting raiders from across the Baltic.

By the late 1100s–1200s, such raids were a real threat. Notably, in 1187 the important town of Sigtuna on Mälaren was sacked and burned by marauders from the east, and the Archbishop of Uppsala was killed “by Estonian pirates” at Almarestäket (the outlet of Mälaren). This devastation, attributed in Swedish sources to pagan Estlanders (either Estonians from Estland or their Baltic neighbors), underscored the need to defend the Mälaren region. It is no coincidence that, a few decades later, Stockholm was founded at the lake’s inlet – effectively “locking” Mälaren against sea incursions. Estbröte, lying in one of the straits leading toward Stockholm’s future site, was on the frontline of this medieval Baltic frontier.

The 1206 Raid: Estonian Pirates and Jon Jarl’s Revenge

The most famous episode in Estbröte’s history occurred in 1206 (some chronicles date it 1208–1209). According to the medieval Erikskrönikan (“Chronicle of Erik”), a band of Estonian pirates – described as heathen raiders from the east – had ventured into Lake Mälaren and camped on Estbröte (then known as “Eesta skär,” meaning “Estonian skerry”). These invaders had recently attacked the nearby estate of Asknäs on Ekerö, where they killed a Swedish nobleman, Jon Jarl (a jarl named Jon). Jon Jarl, according to the chronicle, had only just returned home after nine years fighting for the Christian faith against Russians and Ingrians, only to be slain on his first night back. His death did not go unavenged: Ingeborg – Jon Jarl’s wife (the chronicle calls her “the noble lady,” fru) – managed to escape the attack and fled to Hundhammar (a manor on the south shore of Mälaren, opposite Asknäs). There, filled with grief and fury, she rallied local forces to pursue the raiders.

In a swift and decisive counterstrike, Jon Jarl’s widow and her hastily gathered levy caught up with the Estonian raiders on Estbröte island. The chronicle dramatically relates how she fell upon them “so suddenly and bravely” that the pirates suffered a complete defeat. None of the Estonians escaped alive – “she killed them all, so I am told, up on a hill called Eesta skär; all of them lost their lives there”. After the slaughter, the victors dragged the pirates’ ship ashore and burned it on the island’s strand, supposedly along with the rest of the Estonians’ camp. This fiery spectacle avenged Jon Jarl’s death and put an end to the raiders’ brief occupation of the isle. In effect, Estbröte became the graveyard of the would-be invaders.

Contemporary and later records consistently emphasize the Estonian identity of the fallen pirates. The Chronicle of Erik (written c. 1320) explicitly names the site of battle as “Esta skär”, linking it to Estland (Estonia). Later Swedish chroniclers also recounted the tale: 15th-century historian Ericus Olai refers to the island as Esthaklippa (“Estonian Cliff”) in his Latin account, and 16th-century writers like Olaus Petri describe the foes generally as “Baltic pirates,” while others even list them as Estonians among other eastern peoples. All versions, however, preserve the core narrative of Estlanders pillaging inland and being annihilated by Jon Jarl’s widow. The ferocity of Ingeborg’s reprisal is notable – she effectively led what we might call a folk crusade on local soil. This reflects the desperation of Mälaren locals facing brutal raids: foreign chronicles confirm that around this time, Estonian pirates (particularly the seafaring Oeselians of Saaremaa) were terrorizing Christian shores. For example, in 1226 the papal legate William of Modena encountered a pirate ship from Ösel returning home “loaded with booty and captives” from Sweden; the prisoners (including women) had been treated with horrific cruelty, churches and monasteries were looted and burned, and priests murdered. Such reports of the “rawest treatment” of Christian captives stirred calls for retaliation and holy war against the Estonian islanders. In that light, the merciless annihilation of the Estonian raiders at Estbröte in 1206 appears as an early, local act of vengeance in this larger cycle of violence between Swedes and Estonians during the Northern Crusades period.

Etymology: “Estbröte” – The Breaking of the Estonians

The very name Estbröte is a lasting testament to the 13th-century clash. The island’s original designation in the saga, Eesta skär, literally means “Estonian skerry”, plainly marking it as the spot associated with the Estonians. Over time, this name evolved in local usage. Medieval Latin texts called it Estha klippa (Ericus Olai’s term, i.e. “Estonians’ Cliff”), while in Swedish it later became Ästbrötet or Estbrötet. The modern form Estbröte likely derives from that older Swedish name. Notably, “bröte” (related to bråte) in Swedish means debris, rubble or wreckage – a reference perhaps to the wrecked ship and camp of the Estonians that were burned on the island. Local folklore and historians have thus interpreted Estbröte in a figurative sense: “Esternas bråte”, i.e. “the Estonians’ debris/remains.” In essence, this small island was named after the destruction of the Estonians who landed there.

Estonian scholars likewise read a stark meaning in the name. An article in the Annals of the Estonian Scientific Society in Sweden notes the island’s “harsh name – Estbröte, meaning ‘the place of the breaking (slaughter) of the Estonians’”. In Estonian the phrase “eestlaste murdmise koht” strikingly translates to “place where the Estonians were broken.” This aligns with the Swedish tradition that here the Estonian raiders were decisively crushed. In fact, early 20th-century historians argued that the toponym itself is key evidence for the attackers’ identity: Swedish historian Gunnar Bolin observed that the name Estbröte “indicates that it was Estonians (ester) who attacked the Mälaren area at that time,” whatever the chronicles might call them. The persistence of “Est-” in the island’s name, through various linguistic shifts, kept alive the memory of the Estonians’ ill-fated incursion.

Legacy in Chronicles and Local Memory

Though small and now uninhabited, Estbröte’s role in medieval history has been preserved in both scholarly record and legend. The incident of 1206 appears in multiple sources: the Erikskrönikan (c.1320) is the earliest detailed account, and its tale was echoed by later chroniclers and annalists into the 16th century. These written sources not only recount the drama of Jon Jarl’s death and his wife’s courageous revenge, but also anchor the story in real geography – naming Asknäs, Hundhammar, and Estbröte (Estaskär) with precise clarity. This gives historians confidence that the events were not purely mythical, but rather a legend built upon a real skirmish at Estbröte. The island’s very name became a piece of narrative. As one Swedish writer noted, *“even today the names Estaskär (Estklippan) – Estbrötet – preserve the memory of the lady’s boldness and the pirates’ defeat.”* In other words, the toponym itself is a capsule of folklore and history: anyone sailing past “Estbröte” was, knowingly or not, speaking of the place where Estonians were defeated long ago.

In local Swedish tradition, the story of Jon Jarl’s widow took on a heroic character – a rare example of a medieval noblewoman leading men in battle to defend her home. Though her actual name is not given in the chronicle (some later sources identify her as Ingeborg), she is celebrated in Ekerö’s annals as the savior who rid the land of invaders. On the Estonian side, the episode is remembered as a grim footnote in the era of Estonian-Swedish hostilities during the Northern Crusades. It is part of the same tumultuous history that saw Estonian pirates burn Sigtuna in 1187, and Sweden (along with Denmark and the German orders) later retaliate with crusades across the Baltic. In fact, just a few years after the Estbröte battle, Swedish forces under King John Sverkersson attempted an expedition to Estonia (establishing a brief foothold at Lihula in 1220) – only to be overrun by Estonian warriors, in an uncanny reversal of fortunes. Such back-and-forth conflicts eventually subsided as Scandinavia and the Baltic tribes were drawn into the fold of Latin Christendom.

Today, Estbröte island remains an unpopulated wooded islet, administratively part of Ekerö Municipality and owned by the local government. Aside from a small 20th-century beacon and traces of an old cabin, the island is largely untouched – a quiet patch of land hiding the remnants of its Iron Age fort and the charred legacy of 13th-century events. No physical monuments commemorate the 1206 battle on the ground, but the name “Estbröte” endures on maps, a unique linguistic monument to a dramatic encounter between Swedes and Estonians over 800 years ago. Thanks to the chronicles and folklore, the early history of this little Baltic (or rather, Mälaren) island is unusually vivid: it stands as the “Estonians’ broken” island, forever linked to the story of foreign raiders and a ferocious lady of Asknäs who delivered justice on its rocky heights.


Primary & Historical Sources

1. Erikskrönikan (The Chronicle of Erik) – Medieval Swedish chronicle written c.1320, describing Jon Jarl's death and the Estonian defeat at Estbröte.
Full text (in Swedish): https://runeberg.org/erikskr/
English summary (via WorldCat entry): https://www.worldcat.org/title/erikskro ... /229962092


2. Ericus Olai – Chronica Regni Gothorum (c.1470), mentions Esthaklippa (Estonian Cliff) in relation to the event.
Latin text (Uppsala University archive): https://urn.kb.se/resolve?urn=urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-243412
Swedish translation summary: https://litteraturbanken.se/f%C3%B6rfat ... da/1/etext


3. Olaus Petri – Svenska krönikan (1540s), a key source on Swedish medieval history and Baltic raids.
Swedish National Library digitized version: https://litteraturbanken.se/f%C3%B6rfat ... da/1/etext


4. Rasmus Ludvigsson’s Chronicle (1580s) – manuscript notes about early Swedish history and Estonian incursions.
Summary and reference (in Swedish): https://wadbring.com/historia/sidor/jonjarl.htm

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Historical Analysis & Scholarly Works

5. Gunnar Bolin – Stockholm grundläggning och Mälarens spärrning (1930s), discussing Estbröte and the defensive context.
Full PDF from the National Library of Sweden: https://www.kb.se/informationsmaterial/ ... -bolin.pdf


6. Nils Ahnlund – “Jon jarl och hans hustru” (1928), an academic analysis of the 1206 story.
Published in Historisk Tidskrift (Sweden). Summary: https://litteraturbanken.se/f%C3%B6rfattare/AhnlundNils
Archive note: physical article available via university libraries.


7. Emil Svensén – Berättelser ur svenska historien (19th century), popular retelling of the Estbröte events.
Entry at: https://wadbring.com/historia/sidor/jonjarl.htm

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Estonian & Baltic Sources

8. Jaan Kirss – “Sigtuna mahapõletamine 1187. aastal – veel kord”, published in Saaremaa Muuseumi Toimetised 2017.
PDF (Estonian, with English abstract): https://www.saaremaamuuseum.ee/wp-conte ... d_2017.pdf


9. Annales Societatis Litterarum Estonicae in Svecia (2015), mentioning Estbröte as “eestlaste murdmise koht” (place where Estonians were broken).
Archive index: https://sles.onepagefree.com/?id=20690

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Toponymy & Language Sources

10. Swedish Academy Dictionary – “bråte” / “bröte”, definitions explaining the link to debris or remains.
https://svenska.se/tre/?sok=br%C3%A5te
https://svenska.se/tre/?sok=br%C3%B6te


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Local & Archaeological Context

11. Ekerö Municipality Heritage Page – Iron Age hillfort on Estbröte
(Archived site with map): https://web.archive.org/web/20201030093 ... ornborgar/


12. Vårbyfjärden hoard and beacon fires – Finds from 10th-century Sweden along Mälaren:
https://historiska.se/upptack-historien ... erhaninge/

[Kriku]

Marika Mägi:

Since Olaus Petri, on the other hand, is considered to be trustworthy, several researchers have chosen to believe his version about the Sigtuna attack.37 Olaus claimed that Estonians “burnt down Sigtuna Anno Domini 1187” and later killed Jarl Johannes in Askasnäs. The jarl’s widow destroyed the Estonians in revenge at a place “that is now called eesta skär”. The story continued with another victory by Estonians, namely how Saaremaa warriors attacked the Swedish garrison at Lihula in 1220 and killed all the men there.38 Enn Tarvel has suggested that the eesta skär was probably a hill that is nowadays called Estbröte.39 The most convincing argument against accepting the version naming the Karelians and Russians as those attacking Sigtuna is that the event was not mentioned in Russian chronicles. Sofia Cathedral in Novgorod possesses richly decorated doors, defined by tradition as “the gates of Sigtuna”, but they actually originate from present-day Poland and from a clearly later period.

https://dokumen.pub/in-quotaustrvegrquo ... 16655.html

[Jaanus2]

Ei tea, kas arheoloogid leiaks sealt Rootsist midagi? Suurem lahing peaks ikka midagi maapõue jätma. Madisepäeva lahingu kohta otsitakse siiani sedaviisi, kuigi kõik lahtine vähegi väärtuslik koguti ilmselt kohe kokku. Tapetud vaenlased pidid ka kuhugi maetama - kui neid just koju viia ei lastud. Mis sai Lihulas maha löödud rootslastest? Olid kristlased, mälestamisest ja meenutamisest ei ole jälgi hilisemast ajast?

[LupusII]

Kas see film mida tehakse on "Malev 2" ?