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nimetu kirjutas:No see 150 000 pole tegelikult mingi eriline kogus. I MS ajal tootsid prantslased 22 000 mürsku päevas. Ja isegi sellest oli tegelikult vähe. Mäletamist mööda arvestatakse NATOs days of supply kusagil 200 kanti. See teeks ühe kuu varu 25 haubitsa jaoks.

nimetu kirjutas:No see 150 000 pole tegelikult mingi eriline kogus. I MS ajal tootsid prantslased 22 000 mürsku päevas. Ja isegi sellest oli tegelikult vähe. Mäletamist mööda arvestatakse NATOs days of supply kusagil 200 kanti. See teeks ühe kuu varu 25 haubitsa jaoks.

- NATO ise ei "arvesta" üldse mingeid day of supply´s..

The total amount of supplies required for an average day based on Standing Group NATO rates and/or on national rates as appropriate. See also one day's supply.

In the wake of the Yom Kippur war, analysts of that conflict were surprised at
the extra-ordinarily high expenditure of ammunition compared to US and NATO
expectations prior to the conflict. The Yom Kippur War demonstrated artillery usage
at 2 to 3 times the rate (up to 250 rounds per tube per day) assumed in various
Western planning charts. In the Ukraine conflict the author has witnessed units
firing 300-400 rounds per tube per day. This increased intensity of fire is both
outgoing and incoming. However, Ukraine is different from the Yom Kippur war in
that the high expenditure rates of fire are sporadic rather than continuous; and the
conflict has gone on for a year, not three weeks, with Ukrainian artillery ammunition
stocks are getting low.

- ja 200 x haubitsamürsku per päev toru kohta oleks ikka tõsine müstika..

Borja kirjutas:

nimetu kirjutas:No see 150 000 pole tegelikult mingi eriline kogus. I MS ajal tootsid prantslased 22 000 mürsku päevas. Ja isegi sellest oli tegelikult vähe. Mäletamist mööda arvestatakse NATOs days of supply kusagil 200 kanti. See teeks ühe kuu varu 25 haubitsa jaoks.

Häma kuubis siin üleval:
- NATO ise ei "arvesta" üldse mingeid day of supply´s..
- ja 200 x haubitsamürsku per päev toru kohta oleks ikka tõsine müstika..

Et teinekord võiks mõne lauslolli posti pigem tegemata jätta isegi kui liigne "tarkus" õkva kõrvadest välla voolab

In the US Army, each 155mm gun is expected to fire an average of 205 rounds a day. This means that each heavy "armored" division with 54 155mm guns needs 11,070 rounds a day, or 554 tons of 155mm ammo a day, which requires 111 5-ton truck deliveries EACH DAY.

The Yom Kippur War demonstrated artillery usage
at 2 to 3 times the rate (up to 250 rounds per tube per day) assumed in various
Western planning charts.

P.S. see lõiguke üleeelmisest postitusest annab muuseas ka selge vihje, kuisuured need artilleeria "standardDOS"-id tegelt on:

nimetu kirjutas:Peale seda vaadati need tabelid ilmselgelt uuesti üle ja korrigeeriti. See 200 paistab olevat selline üldine aktsepteeritud suurusjärk intensiivse sõjategevuse korral.

nimetu kirjutas:Ma taaskord soovitan huvilistel uurida sellist raamatut nagu "Field Artillery And Fire Power". Seal on kõik üsna põhjalikult läbi arutatud.

Mnjahh - kindlasti on seal pallu ja põhjalikult "läbi arutatud"..

..veelkord - loeb täitsa vabalt (aga ainult juturaamatuid)

The German military has secretly admitted that it can't fulfill its promises to NATO, according to documents leaked to Die Welt newspaper on Thursday.

The Bundeswehr is due to take over leadership of NATO's multinational Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF) at the start of next year, but doesn't have enough tanks, the Defense Ministry document said.

Specifically, the Bundeswehr's ninth tank brigade in Münster only has nine operational Leopard 2 tanks — even though it promised to have 44 ready for the VJTF — and only three of the promised 14 Marder armored infantry vehicles.

The paper also revealed the reason for this shortfall: a lack of spare parts and the high cost and time needed to maintain the vehicles. It added that it was also lacking night-vision equipment, automatic grenade launchers, winter clothing and body armor.

The German air force is also struggling to cover its NATO duties, the document revealed. The Luftwaffe's main forces, the Eurofighter and Tornado fighter jets and its CH-53 transport helicopters, are only available for use an average of four months a year — the rest of the time the aircraft are grounded for repairs and rearmament.

"The state for all part-time forces are similarly worrying," Hans-Peter Bartels, parliamentary commissioner for the armed forces, told Die Welt. Opposition politicians blamed Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen for allowing the military to deteriorate.

Aus Sicherheitsbedenken dürfen die Luftwaffen-Tornados in Jagel in Schleswig-Holstein derzeit nicht fliegen. Dem Kerosin war zu viel Bio-Diesel zugemischt worden