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Kriku kirjutas:Ma ikkagi ei saa aru, kuidasmoodi Eesti neile "auk" on. Nad ei taha ju siia...

Kas nad tahavad Kreekasse? Ei taha. Lähevad edasi Saksamaale.

Kas nad tahavad Eestisse? Ei taha. Lähevad edasi Saksamaale.

Näed paralleeli? Nende eesmärk on ju saada EU-sse, et minna kuhu iganes nad tahavad.

taara kirjutas:

Kriku kirjutas:Ma ikkagi ei saa aru, kuidasmoodi Eesti neile "auk" on. Nad ei taha ju siia...

Kas nad tahavad Kreekasse? Ei taha. Lähevad edasi Saksamaale.

Kas nad tahavad Eestisse? Ei taha. Lähevad edasi Saksamaale.

Näed paralleeli? Nende eesmärk on ju saada EU-sse, et minna kuhu iganes nad tahavad.

taara kirjutas:Täiesti ükskõik, kuhu nad Eestist minna tahavad. Jala läbi Ida-Euroopa Saksamaale või laevaga/paadiga Skandinaaviasse. Puhas valikute ja võimaluste küsimus.

Kriku kirjutas:Kui akf vaevuks kaardi peale vaatama, siis ta näeks, et Schengeni ruumi jäädes ei õnnestu Eestist jala Saksamaale minna

Kriku kirjutas:

taara kirjutas:Täiesti ükskõik, kuhu nad Eestist minna tahavad. Jala läbi Ida-Euroopa Saksamaale või laevaga/paadiga Skandinaaviasse. Puhas valikute ja võimaluste küsimus.

Kui akf vaevuks kaardi peale vaatama, siis ta näeks, et Schengeni ruumi jäädes ei õnnestu Eestist jala Saksamaale minna. Mis Skandinaavia paati puutub, siis pole midagi lihtsamat kui seda võimalust ära võtta. Paadi peale saamiseks peab nimelt pilet olema.

taara kirjutas: Pileti laevale võivad osta Eesti kodanikud, EL kodanikud, kolmandate riikide kodanikud ja ka pagulased. Iseasi on laeva peale saamine. Kas politsei korjab nad enne laevale minemist ära. Praegu korjavad, aga kui neid hakkab massiliselt tulema, kas siis on võimekust seda teostada?

First, no one at La Linière is from Syria. Many, of course, have nevertheless been touched by warfare. I met refugees who had left Iraq to fight the Islamic State in the Kurdish border town of Kobani, and others who said their homes had been destroyed by fighting in Iraqi Kurdistan. The common denominator among them, however, was not flight from killing but despair over a dead-end life. When I said to Hakar that I hadn’t heard about any fighting in Suleymaniya, on Iraqi Kurdistan’s eastern border, he said, “No, we escaped from the government.” He didn’t mean that they were political prisoners, but rather that an ineffectual government had brought the economy to a standstill. Hakar had gotten a degree from Northern Cyprus University, returned home, and found nothing to do and no prospects of a job. Dvan had worked as an accountant for a Yazidi-run distillery, but his relatives had told him that it was a sin to make money from alcohol and forced him to quit.

I didn’t have the heart to tell the obvious truth to these two young men: From the point of view of international law, they were migrants, not refugees.

Second, the refugees of La Linière and The Jungle had chosen to stay out of France’s refugee system. Last fall, as the refugees rolled across Europe, France assembled a network of “centers of welcome and orientation” in order to process those who wished to seek asylum. Many of the centers are in remote parts of the country, and are said to lack translators and social workers versed in the refugee system. An official with MSF told me that some refugees have returned from them to the camps, warning their brethren not to make the same mistake. Nevertheless, the French have not been trying to force the refugees out of the country but rather to persuade them to leave the informal camps to enter the system.

But nobody wants to go. The Iraqi Kurds at La Linière hope to melt into England’s sizable Kurdish population. They told me that because they would be allowed to live in England — but not in France — without a passport, they could find work in the informal economy. I met Iraqis and Iranians with family members in England, but no one who knew anyone in France. One man who spoke neither French nor English assured me that the French language was too hard to learn. Of the several dozen people I spoke to, only one, Ahmed Mohammadi, a 19-year-old from Logar Province in Afghanistan, had agreed to enter the French system.

I could see why everyone wanted to go to England, but I couldn’t see why they should be allowed to choose. Hakar, Dvan and others were reasoning the way migrants do, looking for the best opportunity. But they were seeking refugee status. International law stipulates that they had a right to asylum if they had a well-founded fear of persecution, but they did not have the right to choose the place of asylum.

If Europe is to survive both as a coherent institution and as an embodiment of the liberal values of the Enlightenment, it will do so only by resisting the universalism of the left as much as the nativism of the right.

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