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Chupacabra kirjutas: 01 Okt, 2022 8:21 Aga kellele hiinlased neid telefone ja arvuteid müüvad kui lääne idioodid enam ei osta? Igale indialasele 1300 eurone iPhone?
Juhin tähelepanu asjaolule, et Hiinas pannakse neid i-fööne kõigest kokku, enamus komponentidest tuleb väljaspoolt. Jaapan teenib iga i-fööni müügiga rohkem raha, kuna nad suudavad toota kõrgtehnoloogilisi komponente, mida Hiina ei suuda. Üldiselt on Hiinal vesi ahjus: maailma kõige kiiremini vananev ühiskond, majandusliku kasvu lagi on saavutatud, energeetika ja toidu osas sõltutakse väga palju välismaailmast jne. Nagu keegi siin mainis juba, siis Hiinas kasutatav nafta tuleb enamuses Lähis-Idast. Kui seal Iraan ja Saudi Araabia hakkavad mõõtu võtma ja burgerid otsustavad kõrvalt vaadata on Hiinast ikka laksust täielik pizdets.

Aga nüüd Venemaa juurde tagasi. Need kes soiuvad, et sanktsioonid ei tööta... Juba suvel tuli uudis, et vattide maksurahade sissevoolu eelarvesse on tabanud täielik kollaps. Käibekas oli näiteks kukkunud 40% võrra. See on ikka täielik katastroof. See on vattide eelarvest nr 1 sissetuleku allikas pärast energiamüügist saadavaid aktsiise. Ja teine fakt on see, et käibeka kõikumine näitab elavalt majanduse üldist tervist.
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Madis Reivik kirjutas: 01 Okt, 2022 9:48Totalitaarsed riigid pole praktiliselt kunagi midagi leiutanud ja loonud - kui midagi ongi, siis on see saadud hirmsa hinnaga.
Hiina tehnoloogia areneb küll ilusti. Eriti kui arvestada, et neid ei piira mingid eetilised ja moraalsed piirid. Seda nii tehnoloogia varguses, TI arendamisel või siis ka näiteks bioloogia vallas. Tähendab neil mingeid piire ei ole (muide ka raha jagatakse totaalsetes riikides palju heldemalt, kui on vaja midagi, millega Läänest ette jõuda) ja ühel hetkel nad võivadki meist ees olla. Ma ei ütle, et loovad mingeid robotsõdureid vms aga miks ka mitte.

Ja mis puutub telefonide müügist kas Läände või Indiasse. Jah hindudel pole sellist ostujõudu (veel), kuid neid on selline mass, et summa-summarum tasub ka odava telefoni müük seal öra.
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krizz kirjutas: 01 Okt, 2022 15:18
Madis Reivik kirjutas: 01 Okt, 2022 9:48Totalitaarsed riigid pole praktiliselt kunagi midagi leiutanud ja loonud - kui midagi ongi, siis on see saadud hirmsa hinnaga.
Hiina tehnoloogia areneb küll ilusti. Eriti kui arvestada, et neid ei piira mingid eetilised ja moraalsed piirid. Seda nii tehnoloogia varguses, TI arendamisel või siis ka näiteks bioloogia vallas. Tähendab neil mingeid piire ei ole (muide ka raha jagatakse totaalsetes riikides palju heldemalt, kui on vaja midagi, millega Läänest ette jõuda) ja ühel hetkel nad võivadki meist ees olla. Ma ei ütle, et loovad mingeid robotsõdureid vms aga miks ka mitte.
Kuidas nad selle varastamise ja kopeerimise najal Läänest ette jõuavad. See kellelt midagi kopeerida peab ju arenenum olema? Ei jõua need vabadusi piiravad totalitaarsed riigid oma asjadega kuhugi, kuna sealne kord lihtsalt ei soosi vaba mõtlemist ja arengut.
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Saksamaal tekkinud suur skandaal. Plaanis müüa osalus Hamburgi sadamas-ostuhuviline Hiina, kuid kõik osapooled on Hiinale müümise vastu. Ja nüüd ilmus välja kantsler Scholz, kes ütleb, et teda ei huvita teiste arvamus-loomulikult müüme Hiinale. Ehk ootab töökohta Hiina firma juhatuses.
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🇨🇳 China: We want to buy part of the port of Hamburg.

🇩🇪 Economic Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Interior Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Defense Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Foreign Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Finance Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Transport Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Intelligence Agency: No!
🇩🇪 Counterintelligence Agency: No!
🇪🇺 EU Commission: No!

🇩🇪 Chancellor @OlafScholz
: Yes! China can buy it. I am forcing through the sale of this critical infrastructure and am overruling all ministers and all German security agencies to do what the Chinese dictator wants.
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1583039861447331840
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Hiina arenguid... Parteikongressilt viiakse sisuliselt jõuga minema presiidiumi laua tagant praeguse president Xi vasakul käel istunud mees-endine Hiina kompartei peasekretär(2002-2012) ja endine Hiina rahvavabariigi president (2003-2013). Ehk siis mees, kes oli võimul enne Xi-d.
Emperor Xi just had his predecessor Hu Jintao hauled out of the CCP summit on live TV in full view of everyone
Ruthless
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 9982164993

Former Chinese top leader Hu Jintao was unexpectedly led out of the closing ceremony of a major meeting of China’s ruling Communist Party Saturday.

Hu, 79, was seated in a prominent position at the front table in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, directly next to his successor, current leader Xi Jinping, when he was approached by a staff member, according to images and video of the meeting, including from CNN staff.

While seated, Hu appeared to talk briefly with the male staff member, while Politburo Standing Committee member Li Zhanshu, who was seated to his other side, had his hand on Hu’s back.

Hu then appeared to rise after being lifted up by the staff member, who’d taken the former leader by the arm, while Kong Shaoxun, deputy director of the General Office of the Communist Party and head of its secretariat came over. Hu spoke with the two men briefly and initially appeared reluctant to leave.

He was then escorted by the two men from his seat, with one holding his arm, as other party members seated behind the main table looked on. The circumstances surrounding Hu’s exit are not clear.

On his way out, Hu was seen to pause and appeared to say something to Xi and then patted Premier Li Keqiang on the shoulder. Both Xi and Li appeared to nod. It was not clear what Xi said in reply.

At one point, while Hu was still seated Xi appeared to place his hand over a document that Hu was attempting to reach for.

In another moment, after Hu was standing and discussing with the two men before making his exit, Li Zhanshu appeared to try and rise from his seat, but was directed back down by a tug on his suit jacket by fellow Politburo Standing Committee member Wang Huning, seated next to him.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/22/chin ... index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... y-congress
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Muutused Hiina juhtkonnas
Huge reveals in new 20th CCP Central Committee
Xi Jinping stays! But retirement for standing committee members 68+
Li Keqiang gone! So much for him as a political force
Wang Yang gone! Next premier probs Hu Chunhua or Li Qiang (both stay)
More Xi. More Xi policies.
Xi now likely to dominate the next Politburo Standing Committee, with 6/7 or 7/7 seats being Xi and his people (if still 7)
Wang Huning & Zhao Leji stay, leaving 4 slots. Likely Chen Min’er, Ding Xuexiang, Li Qiang, Li Xi (or Cai Qi, maybe Huang Kunming/Li Hongzhong)
Hu Chunhua only remaining Politburo member who is not a Xi ally.
But could still make PSC as premier if Xi wants weak figure like LKQ in potentially influential role, or maybe Exec Vice Premier
Would NOT be a sign of pushback. Hu is competent and has loyally served Xi.
Liu He goes and He Lifeng stays! He is 67 so should replace Liu on Politburo
He Lifeng is a politician to Liu’s technocrat so not as market credible markets viz nerve-calming role Liu used to play
Perhaps more focused on short-term stimulus than (needed) long-term reforms
Xi does NOT enforce 68+ retirement norm on everyone
Wang Yi, current Foreign Minister, is on the Central Committee, and he just turned 69 years old
Wang now set to replace retiring Yang Jiechi as top diplomat on 25-person Politburo
More wolf warrior diplomacy to come!
Xi also keeps PLA general Zhang Youxia, 72 years old, on the Central Committee!
Zhang is a family associate of Xi's and a close ally
Was Vice Chair #2 of Central Military Commission on Politburo, likely to become #1
More PLA reforms? More experience in turbulent times?
https://twitter.com/neilthomas123/statu ... 1050575875
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAAFyNlT7GU
Hiina seis on hapu ja ametlikud numbrid on valed, tegelik rahvaarv on vale ja juba mitmeid aegu suures languses.
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ruger kirjutas: 22 Okt, 2022 9:23 Hiina arenguid... Parteikongressilt viiakse sisuliselt jõuga minema presiidiumi laua tagant praeguse president Xi vasakul käel istunud mees-endine Hiina kompartei peasekretär(2002-2012) ja endine Hiina rahvavabariigi president (2003-2013). Ehk siis mees, kes oli võimul enne Xi-d.
Emperor Xi just had his predecessor Hu Jintao hauled out of the CCP summit on live TV in full view of everyone
Ruthless
Väidetavalt toodi ta kongressile kohale samamoodi: https://twitter.com/mubarakUG/status/15 ... 1734104064
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Hiina uus juhtkond(poliitbüroo)-pildid lingil
Who are China's new leaders? The CCP just announced its new Politburo Standing Committee
The result: a clean sweep for Xi allies and a consolidation of power unseen since the Mao era
1. Xi Jinping
2. Li Qiang
Li Qiang (63) likely new Premier of State Council

Li was Xi's top secretary when Xi was Zhejiang Party Secretary in the mid-2000s

Surprise as Premier. Li first Premier since 1976 not promoted from Vice Premier. He is inexperienced at national governance. Not good?

3. Zhao Leji
Zhao Leji (65) likely next Chairman of National People's Congress, in charge of legislating (Xi priority)

Zhao seems close w/Xi thru their fathers being revolutionary comrades from Shaanxi

Stays on PBSC but moved up from CCDI Secretary (no one serves more than 5yrs there)

4. Wang Huning
Wang Huning (67) likely next Chairman of Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (United Front)

Wang worked for Jiang Zemin & Hu Jintao but is key architect of XJP Thought

Stays on PBSC, moved up from heading CCP Secretariat, maybe he also stays ideology czar?

5. Cai Qi
Cai Qi (67 in Dec) is next First Secretary of CCP Central Secretariat (influential role running party business)

Cai worked under Xi in Fujian (closely) and Zhejiang

Slightly surprising viz other Xi allies. Not widely tipped & first Beijing PS promoted to PSC since 2002

6. Ding Xuexiang
Ding Xuexiang (60) likely next Executive Vice Premier of State Council

Ding is Xi's chief-of-staff and was his top secretary when Xi was Shanghai PS in 2007

Expected, but surprising not to party but less-qualified-for state role, perhaps to avoid appearance he is successor?

7. Li Xi
Li Xi (66) is new Secretary of the CCP Central Commission for Discipline Inspection (anti-corruption & internal discipline)

Knows Xi from working for close family friend earlier in career

Li ranked 7th but CCDI role was previously 6th, maybe due to Ding's closeness to Xi?
https://twitter.com/neilthomas123/statu ... 0025422849

BBC ka kirjutab
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63362548
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Ühe noorima tegelase tähelend
Some background information about Cai Qi - one of the biggest surprises of today's announcement of the CPC Standing Committee
Cai is a long-time protégé of President Xi Jinping. He spent a decade working for Xi in Fujian and then in the Zhejiang Province. Since 2014, Cai Qi has been catapulted unusually fast through the leadership ranks of the CCP.
Normally provincial and municipal party chiefs serve as governors or mayors for five years before they get promoted. In Cai’s case – it took merely 9 months to rise from Mayor of Beijing to Beijing Party Secretary.
https://twitter.com/MoritzRudolf/status ... 8303100933
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ruger kirjutas: 20 Okt, 2022 16:53 Saksamaal tekkinud suur skandaal. Plaanis müüa osalus Hamburgi sadamas-ostuhuviline Hiina, kuid kõik osapooled on Hiinale müümise vastu. Ja nüüd ilmus välja kantsler Scholz, kes ütleb, et teda ei huvita teiste arvamus-loomulikult müüme Hiinale. Ehk ootab töökohta Hiina firma juhatuses.
Treason!!

🇨🇳 China: We want to buy part of the port of Hamburg.

🇩🇪 Economic Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Interior Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Defense Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Foreign Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Finance Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Transport Ministry: No!
🇩🇪 Intelligence Agency: No!
🇩🇪 Counterintelligence Agency: No!
🇪🇺 EU Commission: No!

🇩🇪 Chancellor @OlafScholz
: Yes! China can buy it. I am forcing through the sale of this critical infrastructure and am overruling all ministers and all German security agencies to do what the Chinese dictator wants.
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1583039861447331840
Hiina sadama osas tundub et Scohlz pole midagi õppinud ja annab lihtsalt väljapressimisele järgi:
https://twitter.com/thorstenbenner/stat ... 0488453120
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Hiina ilmselt bluffib oma SKP numbritega: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v3C1mvV_eE
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Hiinal 2 mitteametliku politseijaoskonda Hollandis-juba 4 aastat...
Dutch news reporting that the Dutch MFA has confirmed the apparent existence of two illegal Chinese police stations in NL - one in Rotterdam and one in Amsterdam - that have been in operation since 2018.
https://twitter.com/VeerleNouwens/statu ... 3777758210
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Mõni on ikka lootusetult õppimisvõimetu:
Saksa valitsuskabinet kiitis kolmapäeval heaks Hamburgi sadama terminali osaku müümise Hiina riigiettevõttele Cosco. Otsus tehti mitmete Saksa ministeeriumite ja kantsler Olaf Scholzi koalitsioonikaaslaste kriitika kiuste.
https://www.err.ee/1608766585/saksa-val ... ttevottele
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USA valitsus andis kettatootjale Seagate teada, et see võib olla rikkunud ekspordikeeldu tarnides kõvakettaid Huaweile, kellel on sanktsioonid kehtestatud.
Oct 26 (Reuters) - Seagate Technology Holdings said in a filing on Wednesday it has been warned by the U.S. government that the company may have violated export control laws by providing hard disk drives to a customer on a trade blacklist.

The customer is China's Huawei, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters, which is on the U.S. Commerce Department's entity list and banned from buying U.S. exports and certain foreign-made items without government approval.

Seagate was warned in a "proposed charging letter" it received from the Commerce Department on Aug. 29, according to the filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

But the company's position, according to the filing, is that the hard disk drives are not subject to the U.S. export regulations, and that it did not engage in prohibited conduct as alleged by the Commerce Department.

The filing did not identify the customer on the entity list.

Seagate, a Dublin-based company that also operates in California, said it was cooperating with the Commerce Department and attempting to resolve the matter.

The products at issue were provided to the blacklisted company and its affiliates between August 2020 and September 2021, according to the disclosure.

The company paused its shipments to Huawei a year ago, the person said.
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/techno ... ves-source
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