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Normandia dessandi mälestuspäeva korraldaja:
Mälestusürituste korraldaja Mission Libération, mida juhib Prantsusmaa endine suursaadik Washingtonis Philippe Etienne, ütles eelmisel kuul, et Venemaa esindajad kutsutakse kohale, kuigi Putin on tseremoonial persona non grata.

"Vastupidiselt Kremlile, ei tee Prantsusmaa ajaloo poliitilist revisionismi," seisis Libérationi avalduses. "Ajalooliselt on Prantsusmaa alati kutsunud riike, kelle väed maabusid Normandias. Venemaale on varem ka kutse saadetud," seisis avalduses.
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Venelased maabusid Normandias? Musjöö Etienne on väheke hoogu sattunud. Tolle aja liitlane küll, kuid teiselt rindelt.
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Eks nii venelased kui prantslased vahetasid poole sõja pealt oma liitlasi ;) Seega, ühiseid jooni on.
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Madis Reivik kirjutas: 20 Mai, 2024 12:01 Eks nii venelased kui prantslased vahetasid poole sõja pealt oma liitlasi ;) Seega, ühiseid jooni on.
Venelased küll, kuid prantslased läksid sõjas "pooleks" ja osa juhtivtegelastest jäi saksa-vaenulikuks ning võitles nendega algusest kuni lõpuni.
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Artem Drabkin oli see tegelane, kes igasugustelt sõjaveteranidelt intervjuusid võtmas käis, nii ühel kui teisel pool rindejoont sõdinutelt. Selle peale mõtlesid, et maailma mitme külje pealt näinud, võiks olla avarama pilguga, aga ei, tavaline propagandist.

Saatus võttis vaevaks tõsiselt naljatada tema üle - ühel päeval tegelane jutustab, et tuleb end kokku võtta ja näidata oma riigi elujõulisust või surra, teisel päeval sai tema poeg kutse sõjakomissariaati. Siis muidugi oli hoopis teine jutt :)

Postitused võrdlemiseks on siin: https://watermelon83.livejournal.com/1278803.html
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Vene kohus mõistis neljapäeval Soome süüdi genotsiidi toimepanemises Ida-Karjalas Teise maailmasõja ajal. Soome Välispoliitikainstituudi teaduri hinnangul üritab Kreml luua Soomest vaenlase kuvandit.
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Isegi pärast II ms sõjakurjategijaid taga ajades ei tulnud nad selle peale :mrgreen: .
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Venemaa valitsus kiitis heaks välismaalaste karistuse kehtestamise "russofoobia" eest.
Vene Föderatsiooni kriminaalkoodeksisse on kavas lisada uus artikkel 136.1 “Russofoobia”. Esimeses osas nähakse ette vastutus välismaalaste (sealhulgas ametnike) poolt väljaspool Vene Föderatsiooni toime pandud diskrimineerivate tegude eest Venemaa kodaniku, samuti riigis alaliselt elava kodakondsuseta isiku või kaasmaalase, kes ei ole Venemaa kodanik, suhtes ning teine ​​osa – avalike üleskutsete eest selliste toimingute sooritamiseks, kirjutab DW.com. Valitsus kiitis eelnõu heaks tingimusel, et võtab arvesse kommentaare, mis puudutavad selle artikli alusel karistamist teatud ametikohtade täitmise või teatud tegevusega tegelemise õiguse äravõtmise näol. Valitsuskabinet leiab, et selle sätte praktikas rakendamisel võib tekkida raskusi kuriteo subjekti eripära arvestades. Muudatused on kavandatud ka artikli 3. osasse. Kriminaalkoodeksi artikkel 12 "Kriminaalseaduse hagi isikute suhtes, kes on toime pannud kuriteo väljaspool Venemaad". Edaspidi hakkab see kehtima välismaalastele ja kodakondsuseta isikutele, kes ei ela alaliselt Venemaal ja kes on toime pannud kuriteo Venemaa kodakondsuseta kaasmaalaste vastu.
5. osas Art. Kriminaalmenetluse seadustiku artikkel 247 „Kostja osavõtt“ on tegemas muudatusi, mille kohaselt võib mõnel juhul kriminaalasjades mitmete kerge ja keskmise raskusastmega kuritegude kohtuprotsessi läbi viia ilma kohtualuseta (praegu kehtib see ainult rasketele ja eriti rasketele kuritegudele).
https://rus.delfi.ee/statja/120323909/v ... rusofobiyu

Ehk kõik siinsed - karistus ootab teid :mrgreen:
Bundestagi eelarvekomisjon arutab esmaspäeval, 23. septembril kahetunnisel avalikul kuulamisel, kuidas ja millistele projektidele 2025. aastal eelarvevahendeid eraldatakse.
Kultuurile on 2025. aastal föderaaleelarves kavas eraldada ligikaudu 2,2 miljardit eurot. Saksamaa valitsus tegi selle otsuse juba juuli keskel. Nagu Saksamaa kultuuri- ja meediavolinik Claudia Roth toona ütles , on föderaalvalitsus jätkuvalt riigi kultuuri- ja meediamaastiku usaldusväärne tugi.
Kõik aga toetust ei saa. Seega peaks Vene-Saksa suhete kaasaegse ajaloo uurimise ühiskomisjon rahastuse kaotama . Saksa ringhäälingufirma Deutschlandfunk teatas sellest neljapäeval, 19. septembril.
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orkid hakkavad Karjalast eemaldama Tali-Ihantala lahingu mälestusmärki-olevat illegaalne, kuna kiitvat Soome sõdurit
Russian media: Text on Ihantala Battle memorial stone to be erased as "illegal"

In Russia, it is claimed that the monument did not have permission from the Vyborg authorities. In reality, official permission was obtained in the late 1990s, and Russian representatives also participated in several celebrations at the stone.
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RESTORING TRUTH AND SANITY TO AMERICAN HISTORY: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... n-history/

For years, a National Park Service webpage introduced the Underground Railroad with a large photograph of its most famous “conductor,” Harriet Tubman. “The Underground Railroad — the resistance to enslavement through escape and flight, through the end of the Civil War — refers to the efforts of enslaved African Americans to gain their freedom by escaping bondage,” the page began.

Tubman’s photograph is now gone. In its place are images of Postal Service stamps that highlight “Black/White cooperation” in the secret network and that feature Tubman among abolitionists of both races.

The introductory sentence is gone, too. It has been replaced by a line that makes no mention of slavery and that describes the Underground Railroad as “one of the most significant expressions of the American civil rights movement.” The effort “bridged the divides of race,” the page now says.

The executive order that President Donald Trump issued late last month directing the Smithsonian Institution to eliminate “divisive narratives” stirred fears that the president aimed to whitewash the stories the nation tells about itself. But a Washington Post review of websites operated by the National Park Service — among the key agencies charged with the preservation of American history — found that edits on dozens of pages since Trump’s inauguration have already softened descriptions of some of the most shameful moments of the nation’s past.

Some were edited to remove references to slavery. On other pages, statements on the historic struggle of Black Americans for their rights were cut or softened, as were references to present-day echoes of racial division. The Post compared webpages as of late March to earlier versions preserved online by the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine.

Changes in images, descriptions and even individual words have subtly reshaped the meaning of notable moments and key figures dating to the nation’s founding — abolitionist John Brown’s doomed raid, the battle at Appomattox and school integration by the Little Rock Nine.

An educational page on Benjamin Franklin, which examined his views on slavery and his ownership of enslaved people, was taken offline last month, the review found. Mentions of Thomas Stone, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, owning enslaved people were removed from several pages on the website of the Stone National Historic site in Southern Maryland. A reference to other “enslaved African Americans” in that region was changed to “enslaved workers.”

Trump has pursued broad executive orders and other measures aimed at dismantling “diversity, equity and inclusion” programs across the public and private sectors. His Inauguration Day order targeting DEI programs in government did not explicitly call for websites to be edited. But it has been interpreted aggressively by some officials, most notably at the Defense Department, which purged many pages that celebrated notable minority veterans. After an outcry, some were later restored.

At the Interior Department, which oversees the Park Service, political appointees directed senior career officials to identify webpages that might need to be changed, according to two Park Service employees, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they feared retribution.

The senior career officials asked staff members to compile lists of potentially problematic pages, the employees said. Those lists were sent up the management chain for consideration. The employees did not know whether the changes identified by The Post were made as a result of this process, but one said that some staff members were expansive in selecting pages for edits. The employee said staff members received only vague guidance and that the selections were made amid a “frenzy of fear,” at a time when thousands of federal workers were losing their jobs.

“You draw as broad a brush as possible, because the consequences of missing something are a lot more severe than the consequences of doing too much,” the employee said.

A third NPS employee, also speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that some webpage changes resulted not from demands from above, but from lower-level employees seeking to comply with what they believed Trump wanted.

An Interior spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment on the employees’ accounts.

Asked about the website changes, a Park Service spokesperson offered a statement but didn’t address specific edits. “The National Park Service has been entrusted with preserving local history, celebrating local heritage, safeguarding special places and sharing stories of American experiences,” the statement said. “We take this role seriously and can point to many examples of how we tell nuanced and difficult stories about American history.”

The Post examined changes on thousands of Park Service webpages. The vast majority were routine; a handful added mentions of slavery or enslaved people. The Post could not identify every change made since Trump took office, in part because the Wayback Machine’s archives are not comprehensive.

On the website of Minute Man National Historical Park in Lincoln, Massachusetts, a passage about the lack of recognition for Black soldiers who fought for American independence was removed.

“Why don’t we hear more about this part of the American Revolution,” the passage began, according to archived versions of the site. “Unfortunately, systemic racism and historical bias have erased or buried many records of Black and Indigenous people who played a prominent role in the founding of the United States.”

A statement about the legacy of John Brown, who hoped to start a revolt by enslaved people in the run-up to the Civil War, was removed from a page on the website of Harpers Ferry National Historical Park in West Virginia.

“John Brown’s complex legacy remains a powerful symbol in America’s ongoing dialogue on race, justice, and the fight against oppression,” the line said.

Extensive changes were made to multiple Park Service pages about the Underground Railroad, and a landing page directing children to educational materials about it has been offline since last month. Since 1998, the Park Service has been required by federal law to recognize the Underground Railroad and to produce educational materials about it.

Andrew Diemer, a professor at Towson University and author of a book on one of the network’s founders, said that while some White abolitionists supported the Underground Railroad, changes identified by The Post minimized the “legal and political forces” arrayed at the time against enslaved African Americans.

“Overall, the revisions seek to emphasize ‘harmony’ and ‘unity’ and to de-emphasize conflict in a way that is out of step with how historians have written about the Underground Railroad in recent decades,” Diemer said.

Other changes appear on the website of Appomattox Court House National Historical Park in Virginia, where Robert E. Lee surrendered to Union forces in April 1865, leading to the Civil War’s end.

One page, about the surrounding town, was rewritten in a way that incorporated two new mentions of slavery in the years before the war.

But on other pages about the battle and the subsequent emancipation of local enslaved people, all references to President Abraham Lincoln’s views of the war were removed, as were some references to Union Army commander Gen. Ulysses S. Grant’s views. Some mentions of slavery were cut, along with details of how White hostility in the area thwarted the efforts of freed Black people to enter their society.

Greg Downs of the University of California at Davis, a specialist in Civil War history who has written several Park Service publications, said the changes warped history. “A country that cannot tell the truth about itself cannot assess what has led it to moments of greatness in the past and what could lead it again to greatness,” he said.

Alterations were also made to Park Service content about major figures and events in the Civil Rights movement during the 20th Century.

A page about the Niagara Movement, a group founded in 1905 by the African American civil rights leader W.E.B. Du Bois, was changed to remove two references to the struggle for “equality.” For example, a description of the group’s “renewed sense of resolve in the struggle for freedom and equality” became simply its “renewed sense of resolve.”

Shawn Leigh Alexander, a Du Bois biographer and professor at the University of Kansas, described the alterations as “subtle yet profound” in suggesting that racism no longer required confrontation in the United States at the time.

“Although these changes may appear inconsequential to some, they collectively contribute to the erasure of the historical narrative of Black struggle for civil, political, and economic rights, which continues to this day,” he said.

Similar amendments were made to the website of the Little Rock Central High School National Historic Site in Arkansas, which marks the place where nine young African American students braved a racist mob and military resistance from state authorities to integrate a previously White-only school in 1957.

Proclamations that the students “opened doors” for others pursuing “equality and education around the world” were edited on at least six pages to remove the word “equality.”

One of the surviving members of the Little Rock Nine, Elizabeth Eckford, told The Post that the edits masked the fact that the group had explicitly fought for equality of opportunity.

“They’re trying to rewrite history,” Eckford said. “We can never have true racial reconciliation until we honestly acknowledge our painful but shared past.”

Lucy Naland contributed to this report.
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Poola suursaaadik minemas Katõni mälestusüritusele Smolenskis
Russians harassing Poland’s Ambassador to Russia Krzysztof Krajewski as he arrives at the Katyn Memorial in Smolensk to commemorate the 85th anniversary of the Katyn Massacre in which the Russians murdered 22 000 Polish POWs.
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Venemaal avaldati raamat Leedu ajaloo kohta, mille saatesõna on kirjutanud välisminister Sergei Lavrov.

Raamatu avaldamist kritiseeris Leedu välisminister Kęstutis Budrys. ​«See on vahend vaenulikeks tegevusteks naaberriikide vastu - et seada kahtluse alla nende riiklus, ajalugu, väärtused, sümbolid, aga ühtlasi ka õigustada Vene imperialismi ja agressiooni oma naabrite vastu,» rääkis Budrys kolmapäeval ajakirjanikele.​ «Me oleme seda enne näinud, näeme praegu ja see on kõigest üks järjekordne näide,» lisas ta.

Venemaal avaldatud raamatus väidetakse, nagu Leedu rahvust ja keelt ei ole üldse olemas, rääkis Vytautas Magnuse ülikooli professor Gintautas Mažeikis Leedu ringhäälingu LRT raadioprogrammile. Ühtlasi ka veebis vabalt loetav raamat väidab, nagu Balti riigid võltsiksid ajaloolisi fakte ning Leedu rahvusriigi lõid tegelikult slaavlased ja Venemaa. Samuti väidetakse seal, nagu pealinnas Vilniuses ja selle ümbruses räägib vaid kaks protsenti elanikest leedu keelt. «Leedu eksistentsi eitamine näib väga sarnane ukrainlaste kui rahvuse eitamisega,» tõdes Mažeikis.

Üks raamatu autoritest on Giedrius Grabauskas, kes on Venemaa heaks spioneerimises süüdi mõistetud poliitiku Algirdas Paleckise endine nõunik.
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Üks raamatu autoritest on Giedrius Grabauskas, kes on Venemaa heaks spioneerimises süüdi mõistetud poliitiku Algirdas Paleckise endine nõunik.
...non olet.
Errare humanum est-aga veel inimlikum on selle teise kraesse väänamine...
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Kriku kirjutas: 01 Mai, 2025 13:48
... Üks raamatu autoritest on Giedrius Grabauskas, kes on ...
Leedu keelt ja rahvuste ei ole olemas, kuid kaasautoril selline mitte-slaavi nimi. :shock:
Tra-aru-ma-ei-saa ... :wall:
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Age see on ju ometi täiesti loomulik, et need, kellel endil pole ei keelt ega rahvust, arvavad, et teistel on samamoodi.
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orkid hävitasid ühe Katyni mälestusmärgi
Russia has destroyed Polish memorial plaques at the Katyn War Cemetery in Mednoye

The Russians shot 6311 Polish prisoners-of-war there between April 3rd-April 19th, 1940. The bodies were buried in 25 secret mass graves

The Russians placed a Stalin statue there in 2023
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1925213958299889810
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orkid tegid Soome ajaloost uue filmi
The recent Russian documentary "Fascism in Finnish" depicts Finland in a way that widely distorts historical events.

The documentary Fascism in Finnish: Lessons from History and the Present Day aims to create an image of Finland as an enemy for Russians. Funding comes directly from the Russian government, the Presidential Fund for Cultural Initiatives, which was established in 2021 for cultural and artistic projects.

Marshal Mannerheim and General Erwin Engelbrech, who commanded the German 163rd Infantry Division operating in Finland, photographed in Tohmajärvi in ​​the summer of 1941. The creators of the Russian documentary film call Mannerheim the "honorary leader of the Finnish Nazis".
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