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Soomes alustas ajateenistust ca 12 000 uut ajateenijat.
Around 12,000 new recruits joined the Finnish Defence on Monday, composed of both male conscripts and female volunteers.

Around 10,000 of these recruits will start their service with the Finnish Army. The Finnish Navy will receive around 1,600 recruits and the remainder will join Finland's Air Force or Border Guard.

The largest inductions of recruits occur biannually, with the majority of cohorts entering the military in January or July.

Some recruits, such as those at the Defence Forces' Sports School, report for service at a different schedule, which explains why NBA star Lauri Markkanen began began his high-profile military service in April last year.

The new recruits' training will last either 165, 255 or 347 days, depending on their rank, position and unit. After completing their military training, the recruits will be members of the reserve of the Finnish Defence Forces.

The majority of conscripts will serve for 347 days, which is the same length of time as those opting for civilian service.
https://yle.fi/a/74-20098594
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Soomes lendasid täna siis (esimest korda Põhja-Soome kohal) 2 USA B-52 pommitajat ja tankurlennukid. Neid saatsid Soome F/A-18 hävitajad.
USAF B-52s over Askola, Finland. Finnish Air Force F/A-18 escorting.

pic by Kimmo Vehkaoja
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https://x.com/akihheikkinen/status/1814971595762385214
Two US B-52 Stratofortress bombers flew in the FIN airspace on Sunday, 21 July. The flights were part of training activities. The bombers were supported by 2 US KC-135 and 1 US KC-46 aerial refuelling aircraft.
https://x.com/Puolustusvoimat/status/18 ... 2116411756

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https://x.com/PToveri/status/1815003655671615855
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Soome maanteedel maandusid Norra F-35 hävitajad.
Norwegian F-35A landing in Finland on public road for first time ever! Ps: I donate 100$ to Ukraine pr 1000 new follower, so pls RT and share;-) And follow. Have a lovely Sunday;-)
https://x.com/nafoviking/status/1815008855710892181
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ruger kirjutas: 21 Juul, 2024 21:59 Soome maanteedel maandusid Norra F-35 hävitajad.

https://x.com/nafoviking/status/1815008855710892181
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Soomet eile külastanud B-52 lendasid siis ligikaudu sellist marsruuti. Alustasid USA-st üle Soome ja lõpetasid Rumeenias.
USAF B-52H MARIO flt (60-0024, 60-0054) out of Barksdale AFB met with tankers over Canada, intercepted by Russian MiG-31 & MiG-29 over the Barents Sea, picked up by Finnish F-18s & US tankers over Finland, and landed in Romania.

This is my estimate of the bombers' flight path.
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https://x.com/ameliairheart/status/1815242378468602063

Soomlased panid siis orkistani poole mineva(d) maantee(d) õppusega kinni
The @Maavoimat concept of blocking enemy is based on massive use of anti-tank mines, blowing up bridges and building obstacles. Mines are always combined with anti-tank weapons and fires from one of the largest artillery of Europe. This is what is practiced this week at #etelä224
https://x.com/MMaenpaa1/status/1815487128572170504
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Rootsi hakkab panustama Soome loodava eFP(FLF) lahingugrupi tegevusse
Swedish officers can be sent to the new multinational NATO battle group in Finland, talks are being held that they may be placed in Lapland - Svenska Dagbladet

A source at the Ministry of Defense told the newspaper that there had been talks "for some time" about sending Swedish officers from the I 19 regiment in Boden to this group. They will be part of the staff organization that will lead the Forward Land Forces units, says an anonymous staff officer of the Swedish Armed Forces.
https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/18 ... 1682180403
Swedish officers can be sent to the new multinational NATO force in Finland, according to information to SvD. Talks are being held that the force may be placed in Finnish Lapland.

15 months after Finland's NATO entry, NATO is now strengthening the defense of its northern flank. In mid-June, it was clear. Finland receives a multinational force from NATO, a so-called forward land force, which within NATO is called FLF (Forward Land Forces). A NATO staff for ground operations is also to be placed in the country.

- These decisions will improve the security of Finland and Northern Europe, said Finnish Defense Minister Antti Häkkänen after the NATO Defense Ministers meeting in Brussels when the decision was made, as Yle previously reported.
https://www.svd.se/a/0VGM9E/sverige-kan ... ll-finland
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Soome peaminister: idapiiri Soome lähiajal ei ava.

Soome peaministri Petteri Orpo sõnul ei ole Venemaal näha muutusi, et lähiajal võiks idapiiri avada.

Väljaandele Iltalehti antud intervjuus ütles Orpo, et Venemaal on endiselt võimekus suunata inimesi Soome piirile ja see ei ole muutunud.

Soomes on viimasel ajal olnud ka palju kummalisi vahejuhtumeid, mida seostatakse Venemaa tegevusega, näiteks kukkus hiljuti ümber üks mobiilimast, mille trossid olid läbi lõigatud.

https://www.err.ee/1609414690/soome-pea ... jal-ei-ava
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USA F35-d harjutasid Soomes maanteele maandumist/startimist
https://x.com/finnishairforce/status/18 ... 87923?s=46
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hjl85 kirjutas: 04 Sept, 2024 21:51 USA F35-d harjutasid Soomes maanteele maandumist/startimist
https://x.com/finnishairforce/status/18 ... 87923?s=46
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https://x.com/FinnishAirForce/status/18 ... 1673490687
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Soome tuleb sõjapidamise kunstis järele aidata, et USA-ga koos lahinguid pidada.
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journal ... tegration/
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Äkki peaks hoopis USA-t järele aitama? Igas regioonis erinevad tingimused ja kahtlustan, et soomlased teavad kohapealseid nõrkusi ja võimalusi paremini. Kehtib ka teiste piirkondade osas.
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kaur3 kirjutas: 08 Sept, 2024 8:47 Soome tuleb sõjapidamise kunstis järele aidata, et USA-ga koos lahinguid pidada.
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journal ... tegration/
Selline lihtkommentaar on sügavalt eksitav ja solvav mõlema osapoole jaoks.
Nii Soome kui USA oskavad sõda pidada, kuid jutt on siiski (NATO ressurssidega) laiema pildi integreerimisest Soome sõjapidamise juhtimisse! :evil:
Paljude raamatute lugemine teeb inimese palju lugenud isikuks, kuid ei pruugi teha teda targaks...
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kaur3 kirjutas: 08 Sept, 2024 8:47 Soome tuleb sõjapidamise kunstis järele aidata, et USA-ga koos lahinguid pidada.
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journal ... tegration/


Military Reviw artiklis juttu pildil olevast diviisi JAGIC-ust, mis tulenevalt Soome NATO-eelsest sõjapidamise viisist ei olnud sellises mahus vajalik, sest õhu ja maa vahel oli vähem koordineerimist vaja. NATO vahendite arvukuse, võimekuse ja rollide lisandumisega tuleb toimetamist oluliselt juurde ja USA diviis tahabki soomlaseid selles osas aidata.
Technically, the Finns have an army suited and rehearsed for their unique terrain. However, an identified gap is their integration into the joint community. Previously, autonomous operations would enable the use of singular air platforms in support of brigade and below actions. The volume of air support that can be expected from NATO allies, at a minimum, requires an integrated air picture at echelon.
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journal ... tegration/

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Eelmise postituse juurde sobib ka see pilt, mis illustreerib õhuväe ründevõimet erinevate lennukite ja rakettide-pommidega sõltuvalt tegevuskeskkonna ohtlikkusest. Nt ulatuksid Kesk-Rootsist lendu lastud JASSM-ER raketid ilusti Talvepaleeni Peterburis. Ühe B-52 peale mahuks neid vist 20 tükki.
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/app/u ... tchell.pdf
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Endine NATO vägede asejuht Euroopas kindral Schirreff käis Soomes julgeolekukonverentsil
Shirreff, who has had an impressive NATO career, now speaks for the first time about how NATO would utilize Finland in a possible war situation. During his career, he has also commanded Finnish troops in Kosovo.

- I don't know for sure NATO's current plans, but based on my experience, I will tell you what I would do myself. First, it would be about strengthening the defense of the alliance. In an Article Five situation, NATO reinforcements would come to Finland quickly. For example, NATO ships would operate off the Finnish coast and in the Baltic Sea.

- Finland would provide a safe base for all operations in this area.

For example, Shirreff also raises the worst scenario for Finland: a Russian attack directly on Finland.

- In that situation, NATO troops would flood into Finland to provide the necessary support.

NATO is making plans for this scenario, Shirreff believes. In particular, NATO is now investing in the security of the Northern region.

However, he points out that those plans must be practiced so that there is sufficient preparedness in the event of a possible war. The retainer must be fine.

That's why Shirref says he was surprised when he heard about the internship opportunities in Finnish Lapland.

- I was amazed that you can even practice division-scale shooting there. This is exactly what the Alliance needs. You have excellent training areas in Finland.

Britain recently had to give up a firing range in Canada. A replacement has not yet been found.

- If I were still in the service, I would go back to Britain and say, listen, it is much easier to move to Finland for training than to Canada and there are many opportunities. I wish I was still in the service, because it would be wonderful to be able to come up with ideas for these exercises in Finnish Lapland.

How quickly would NATO troops reach Finland in a war situation?

According to Shirreff, everything depends on the level of readiness of NATO forces.

- I don't know the current readiness level of NATO forces. But for the sake of comparison: British troops used to be ready to move for 30 days. Special forces in 5-day readiness: emergency, leave everything, leave and others will follow. And this is why preparedness and practicing it is so critical.

The general regrets that several NATO countries, with the exception of Finland, have taken a big risk and allowed their readiness to deteriorate. Now we are hastily assembling the readiness.

So is it possible that Russia could attack Finland?

- Yes. If Russia were stupid enough, it could launch a long-range missile at Finland.

- But Russia won't do it, because it would mean the third world war. I'm relatively certain that NATO could completely annihilate Russian forces in Ukraine if they wanted to, if Russia tried something like that.

Shirreff returns to deterrence and preparedness again. According to him, Russia will not start an attack on Finland as long as NATO builds up its deterrence and shows Russia all of its readiness capabilities.

But what is Russia's so-called "endgame"?

- Russia wants to build a new empire. It wants to devour other nations, especially small ones, and force them under its rule. It is deep in the DNA of Russians, it is fed to them in their mother's milk.

- But that endgame plan is deeply flawed, because it is a dictator's plan, Shirreff points out.

According to him, Vladimir Putin's ultimate plan is just to survive. Shirreff adds that Putin's real wealth includes unfathomable amounts of money.

Putin knows that if he gives up, retirement will not be easy.

- If Putin gives up, he will only leave the Kremlin in a coffin. That's why he has to stay in power. Power is the end game plan. And the way Putin achieves that is through force, constant war and expansion.

Russia can regroup and recover from losses quickly. According to Shirreff, Russia's strategic weakness is precisely the dictatorship and the slow ability to respond.

- But never forget or underestimate the Russians.

The general says that he is really grateful that NATO now includes a country – Finland – that has exactly the kind of mindset, readiness and know-how needed to create NATO's powerful deterrent.

According to him, the Finnish armed forces are really impressive.

- In my opinion, Finland is able to produce a force of 280,000 soldiers in a short time. There is no other similar NATO country, especially a country with 5 million inhabitants, that is capable of such a thing. It is truly exceptional.

- Finland can produce 200 Leopard 2 tanks, fully trained, manned, ready to go at short notice. Britain can't do it, France and Germany can't. Considering Finland's size, it could be said to be a kind of NATO superpower.

Shirreff laughs for a moment. He says that he always wonders about the character of Finns in the face of all this information.

- Finns are reserved. You are not arrogant, but in my experience charming, nice and humble. The message must be brought out that you can lead by example.
https://www.is.fi/politiikka/art-2000010696188.html
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